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| Quote: wigan pie man "your not..he had a solid game.
Tackling was spot on, text book most of the time, not physical but thats his build, he'll be better when he bulks up.'"
Not sure 'that's his build' is a good enough reason to be weak in tackles. McIlorum isn't a big player but he's dominant in tackles. George Williams isn't a big player but he was more dominant in tackles last night. Winning the collision is an important part of the game, especially for a hooker who has to make 30-40+ tackles per game. That's 30-40+ tackles where the attacking side get on the front foot and the markers are scrambling to get back.
If a hooker is too small to make big tackles then forwards are just going to run at him again and again and make easy yards and that's what Rovers did.
When they had a try chalked off for a forward pass the gap was only created because Tomkins joined a 2 man tackle when the player was already stopped and tried to dominate the tackle by forcing the player over, only to make a mess of it, get himself on the wrong side of the ruck and leaving a huge gap in defence.
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| If you look for errors, every player comes up with them at some point.
I think Tomkins distribution was really good. Some of the runs need better timing and that will come but you can't just lay that on Tomkins.
I thought it was clear that his defensive task was to harass and clamp the ball or come in as third man as often as he could, as putting on big hits and getting injured would not be good and everyone would soon be ripping him to bits as to why he was so reckless. I think that he has a great future here at Wigan and hope that he stays and develops to the potential that he has shown.
I am sorry but I really don't rate Powell at 9, he is probably the most natural 6 we have had for years, but should never get picked at 9 in front of a fit Tomkins.
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| I really don't understand what some of you have against Logan.
To suggest that Williams was better than him last night was absolutely laughable as most of Williams' passes were head hight or behind the players, which to me is poor considering he is a half-back. Logan was involved in a lot of tackles, and didnt miss many, yes he doesn't dominate the tackle, but not all players do, Liam Farrell didn't/doesn't, Thornley doesn't but they don't get called for it.
No he is not world-class, but he is still only 21, McIlorum wasn't the great player he is now when he was 21. And Logan's distribution was pretty good last night, better than Williams', and probably no worse than McIlorum's. The point I do agree with is his decision making isn't great yet as he doesn't scoot enough from dummy half and attack the line.
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| Had a good game last night. His delivery was spot on for the most part. Not perfect by any means, but then, who is? Thought this showed when Williams came on whose delivery from dummy half isn't nearly as good.
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| Quote: JWarriors "
No he is not world-class, but he is still only 21, McIlorum wasn't the great player he is now when he was 21. And Logan's distribution was pretty good last night, better than Williams', and probably no worse than McIlorum's. '"
Spot on. MM had plenty of critics at the same stage in his career, and I can think of few, if any hookers who are the finished article at 21 years of age. OK he's not as aggressive in defence as MM, but on the other hand he's not the penalty machine that MM is.
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| I was impressed with Hodgson for KR, if Wigan were looking at a hooker I'd be tempted to go for him!
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| If we are looking for a back up hooker look no further than Daryl Clark at Castleford.
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| 47 tackles from Logan yesterday, almost 50% more than any other Wigan player.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "47 tackles from Logan yesterday, almost 50% more than any other Wigan player.'"
If you were a Rovers forward you'd want to run at Tomkins all night long. It seems that's exactly what they did.
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| Quote: Cherry.Pie "If you were a Rovers forward you'd want to run at Tomkins all night long. It seems that's exactly what they did.'"
As you know I'm not his biggest fan, but I thought he went o.k. on Friday.
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| during and immediately after the match my opinion of Tomkins' performance was pretty shoddy, but having read all of these comments I can see the truth in the arguments in his favour too...
however, he has had 3 seasons or so now working with the likes of MM, TL and MH who are all great hookers in my opinion on their day, but Logan doesn't seem to be picking up off them and never has shown any real potential. he has had many chances to prove his worth but in fairness he hasn't had a good run of games either. Being in for 3 games is all well and good due to a ban but as soon as MM is available again he'll be back in the doldrums and that can't help his progression.
I honestly can't see where he is going to fit in the team over the next few years and as many have said on here, fair play to him, but he just hasn't got enough for Wigan, perhaps even a few lesser teams.
he suffers from being a "Tomkins" yes, but I have always argued that joel was the most talented and had the most potential out of the three anyway. and whether he was a Tomkins or not my opinion of him wouldn't be any different.
hopefully he can put in a couple of good performances but I can't see him shining against Wire - I'd love it to happen though!!
I'm happy to get behind him and give him a chance, I'm just doubtful he can deliver.
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| Quote: WiganBurt "during and immediately after the match my opinion of Tomkins' performance was pretty shoddy, but having read all of these comments I can see the truth in the arguments in his favour too...
however, he has had 3 seasons or so now working with the likes of MM, TL and MH who are all great hookers in my opinion on their day, but Logan doesn't seem to be picking up off them and never has shown any real potential. he has had many chances to prove his worth but in fairness he hasn't had a good run of games either. Being in for 3 games is all well and good due to a ban but as soon as MM is available again he'll be back in the doldrums and that can't help his progression.
I honestly can't see where he is going to fit in the team over the next few years and as many have said on here, fair play to him, but he just hasn't got enough for Wigan, perhaps even a few lesser teams.
he suffers from being a "Tomkins" yes, but I have always argued that joel was the most talented and had the most potential out of the three anyway. and whether he was a Tomkins or not my opinion of him wouldn't be any different.
hopefully he can put in a couple of good performances but I can't see him shining against Wire - I'd love it to happen though!!
I'm happy to get behind him and give him a chance, I'm just doubtful he can deliver.'"
He had a superb game there last year, probably his best for Wigan.
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| How can we judge Logan when he hardly ever starts?
He started off slowly v HKR but picked up when the game had been going a while.
I reckon his quick shoot from dh put the team on the front foot for the Farrell try.
The HKR right defence was caught with one player moving up and another staying in the line.
The 9 these days is the busiest man on the field and he proved it with 47 or so tackles and he didn't do the 80.
To critisise him on his first start and just four games in is over the top IMO.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "He had a superb game there last year, probably his best for Wigan.'"
yes I think I remember Wane claiming moral victory despite the result!
lets hope he can replicate some good form in MMs absence. at the end of the day I'm more than happy to be proved wrong about him, and any other player I may have negative opinions on for that matter.
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| Cracking performance again, missed him massively when he went off especially his delivery, fronted up physically tonight too.
Williams showed some nice touches but he must work on his passing.
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