Nail on the head. Add to that the fact Noble has changed the gameplan this year to please the fans with attacking rugby and it was always going to take time for it all to click together. Not according to Jonh though, its all down to the opposition being poor/out of form bar 2 games in which he thought we played well.

So Jonh has set the test for Noble. Win both the Hull KR and Warrington games. What happens if he does that Jonh,will you finally give the anti-Noble thing a rest then?

I understand what he is saying we did not play great against Celtic but won and i could see sings of improvement in our play. We played better against Wakefield and again i could see more things were happening for us and sticking. Then against Saints we played well and i could see a massive improvement in the team and i also think we can play better than that as there are still one or two things not working for us lets just see if the improvement continues lets hope it will

Just hold on to your horses.

What i said was we have not hit good form, we in my opinion played poorly against Celtic but got the win. I have been to most Wakefield games this season, and they let themselves down against us, probably there worst performance of the season at home, the Bradford game compounded the potential start of a drop in form that began vs Wigan.

The Saints game on Saturday clearly was an isolated performance as we have not played to that level at all this year, neither against Bradford or Saints in the first game, hence it clearly is an isolated performance! Unless 1 in 12 in your book is not isolated? I have also said over the last 3 weeks our form have improved but there was a huge improvement from Wakefield vs the Saints game.

If you look back over my posts i have said that a run of good performances from now will constitute form starting at Wakefield on Saturday, i am sorry if you disagree with me that the Celtic game was a good performance but if you look back over the posts at the time most agree. To say Wakefield were not in the game is an odd call given they were pretty much 1 score away up untill 60 minutes.

Im not sure where the last paragraph fits in given i totally agree and have posted this on several occasions. The bit in bold i have no idea what you are talking about given i have been agreeing Smith has been great since his return. Maybe you can explain?

Can you play poorly and win simple yes or no?

Wakefield were never in the game in a performance sense! Now given that you have just said you judge on performance and me on results (which I find condecending in the extreme by the way!) don't you think it strange that you should now change your tune and quote from a 'results' based perspective of the game? Strange that, given on one hand you're saying they were poor and 'let themselves down' but on the other hand don't recognise that they were completely outplayed? Which is it Jon?

Celtic wasn't so much a good performance but a continuation of our current form and improvement. If you feel improvement and performance is linear then, as a performance coach, I must say I have little respect for your judgement. You should know better! In addition, again as I'm sure you very well know, it's often much harder to 'get up' for these type of games than it is against the top teams. 4-0 Saints against the same team ring any bells? In fact I'll quote the same result to counter your ridiculous argument outlining just how many we 'should have scored' aganst Celtic had we been a good side. Care to quote me Leeds winning margin against the same team or would that not suit your argument either?

Well by your standards the best performance at any given time of the season, regardless of those performances surrounding it, is a isolated performance as, by definition a team 'have not played to that level at all this year'. If that is your definition of an isolated performance Jon, it's a pretty poor one! By your own admision we have played well at least 3 times, so in what way does that constitute an isolated performance unless you can have 3 isolated performances! Good grief!

Well if you agree then how can you argue that the improvement has started at the Saints Game...or as you said in this post, the Wakefield game this Saturday....or would you prefer the HKR game next week? At what point do you think we first started to show signs of improvement. If you agree it was with the introduction of Gleeson, improved form of the front row and Smith and Phelps starting to click, then like me, you'll say the 1st Saints game. In which case , why are you arguing two opposing points?

Yes,but i fail to agree that Wigan have only won most of their games by playing poorly.Maybe they have not played to maximum potential but to say they have played poorly and won most of their games is daft to say the least. I can only assume that if you think we have played so poorly yet won games that you think the opposition have played even poorer and let us win.

Your taking the whole aniti-Noble thing to another level. Seriously Jonh,do you dream about Noble? It is 100% not normal for somebody to be as obsessed with a man as you are with Brian Noble. You will try anything to turn the whole message board against him.

Let me turn this question around and ask you this Jon. Do you believe you can put in a 'good performance' without it being 'the very best you can play'? You seem unable to distinguish the one from the other. A simple Yes or no will do.

Given your cameo posts after a good win and picking him as man of the match on Saturday i am starting to think its you that dreams about Noble!!

I did not say they have played poorly and won most of there games. I said they played poorly against Celtic thats it!

I credit people for thinking for themselves. I do not claim to speak for the people unlike you and simply say as i see. I am happy to praise Noble after the weekend and have done. Its a shame you are not able to criticise his failings after a poor coaching performance and only choose to comment after a good one.

If you have read the thread the answer is there for you.

If you are of the opinion i cannot distinguish one from the other you cannot have read the thread.

My issue is consistency.

I have said we have improved in the last 3 weeks which we have.

The Saints first game performance was way above the Celtic performance, we slipped again significantly off the back of that. Against Celtic we were poor, against Wakefield we were average, against Saints we were fantastic.

I would hardly constitute that a run of consistant form?!

Bradford drop off of form, Saints game 1 followed by a drop off of form. Saints game 2........? In the Bradford and Saints game one were were far from outstanding as well, Saints game 2 we were.

If you was not so obsessed with putting Noble down week after week,year after year i would have no reason to keep coming on questioning you when he proves you wrong ie.Saturday. You was the guy who stated that he could not coach attacking RL and could only coach the basic 5 drives and a kick. Do you still stand by that?

Anyway, im off to bed now busy day tomorrow, Goodnight. We discuss it more tomorrow night

To your previous post the answer is indeed there. And that is why I posted what I did. Please drop the condesending tone when speaking to me, I don't appreciate it.

As for this post. Are you saying that, as a conditioning coach for Wakefield (I am right in that assumption aren't I?), you believe that all performance improvements should be linear?

I'm amazed at the difference between Wigan's tactics at the beginning of the season with the last two games. It's as though we have got a new coach.
Wakefield at home was 5 drives and a kick. I remember looking at my watch when there were 3 minutes left and only 6 points behind. We were still driving the ball in.
At Wakefield we were like the Harlem Globetrotters.
It seems like Noble has seen the light twice and is reading this forum.
We cried out long and for Sam and Ainscough to be given a chance. It took a while but he finally succumbed and performances improved.
We also lambasted the boring tactics which blighted too many early season games and once again he has responded.
Why didn't he see the light earlier? Like last season or the season before. We are now playing summer rugby. Yes, I'm truly amazed that he has seen the light.

The bold can't be true Salty. Apparently we were only average at Wakefield.

as the next game i'll get to see will be leeds in the summer (already got my ticket) i'm looking forward so much to the game!!!