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lima needs to step up big time .so morley all the way icon_sad.gif

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Quote: Pie minister "Yed, is the 4 year contract Morley signed looking like it was too long or do you reckon he can still do a job ?

Agree re Carvell on his game he is a very good prop'"


Oh he still does a very good job, just why burn him out when you don't need to.
He's still the best prop we have but he's just had a couple of knocks.

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Our most effective prop so far this season has been Paul Wood, his stats against Morley and Carvell are very impressive.

www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011
Our most effective prop so far this season has been Paul Wood, his stats against Morley and Carvell are very impressive.

www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011


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Quote: Yed " Very hard working like Westwood and like Westwood looks buggered after about 5 minutes yet never is.'"



Excellent stats from Wood. I'll cast a keen eye on him on Friday. icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: the-Bowtun-Warrior "He stepped up against wire in pre-season so he can on friday...'"

All lima needs to do is put a big hit on briers then i will consider him as a legend! icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: FearTheVee "I think we have a tendency in SL to over-hype the "big name" props and ignore those who get on with the job equally as well.

For example Wood at Wire, who gets overlooked because of Morley/Carvell, and Prescott at wigan (Fielden/Coley/Lima).

Same goes for Paul Clough at Saints who I think has been immense for us for a couple of years nowhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1'"


Again very good stats from Clough.(Although he has played a game more than Prescott) icon_wink.gif

To be fair you've needed him to step up. You've continually been down a prop this year, in either Perry or LMS.

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Not sure how useful comparing the stats of props from different teams is, especially after only a few games this season, but comparing them to players from the same team should give a decent indication of who is on form, but even then it's early days and stats will be a bit skewed.

Morley, for example, missed the majority of the game against Saints after picking up a knock and so will have lower stats than expected. Prescott is strong defensively but his tackles made will be lower considering he made fewer tackles than usual because we were attacking much more when he was on the pitch.

At the end of the day it boils down to who performs better on the night rather than who matches up in the stats. Mossop posted fantastic stats against Huddersfield but that's irrelevant if he doesn't back it up against Wire.

As it stands in terms of stats our props can be a little inconsistent, sometimes it just depends on who plays during which parts of a game. If we play more expansive rugby when Coley is on the pitch and score lots of tries he's going to produce poorer stats compared to Lima if he was to come on when the game is tighter and more of a forward battle.

All that matters is that our props play at their best and do what's necessary to aid the team.

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Quote: Deano G "As are Lee Mossop's statshttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1

Prescott and Mossop have had a great start to the season. Lima isn't doing anything wrong, it's just that Prescott and Mossop are doing very well indeed, as are The Hoff and Lockers, who are both in superb form.

Friday is going to be a cracker.'"


I have for a long time said that Lockers is over-rated. I still think he was a few years ago. I am delighted to say though that he has improved considerably as of late. He has cut (most) of the stupid mistakes from his game and has become a very solid player for us now.

I also think that the "burden" of the captaincy was too much for him when he was younger. The sharing of the responsibility last year clearly helped his game and this year he looks much more comfortable as captain.

The Hoff looks like a fantastic signing in the David Furner mold.

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I can't help but think we're overhyping Lima a bit too much. Let him find his feet and knock a few teams about before you start talking about him dominating the second best prop in the comp

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I expect Lima to show us what he is made of on friday! Huge atmosphere in a massive game, there is no better time.

He has made a good start and I have no doubt he will improve.

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Quote: Odemwingie "I expect Lima to show us what he is made of on friday! Huge atmosphere in a massive game, there is no better time.

He has made a good start and I have no doubt he will improve.'"


for me Lima s getting all the wrong balls , standing start balls,flat balls etc

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Morley will bury him

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Quote: FearTheVee "I think we have a tendency in SL to over-hype the "big name" props and ignore those who get on with the job equally as well.

For example Wood at Wire, who gets overlooked because of Morley/Carvell, and Prescott at wigan (Fielden/Coley/Lima).

Same goes for Paul Clough at Saints who I think has been immense for us for a couple of years nowhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1'"



I think alot of people just look at total metres made when it comes to props and it obviously plays a huge part but due to sides playing with different tactics in regards to their props it's not the be all and end all imo. If you look at someone like Mossop or Prescott for us their metres per carry stats are probably better illustrations of what they're bringing to the side because we rotate between 4 props and all of them seem to get pretty equal amounts of gametime. If you compare their gametime to that of Graham or Lynch for example it's not as high and therefore their total metres are way less but i'd guess their metre per carry stats staxk up pretty well.

I think your right about guys like Clough, Prescott, Mossop etc. They all get the job done with the minimum of fuss and play huge roles in their sides without getting the plaudits.

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