I agree coaching is a huge part of it, but the players are not without blame themselves. Where is the pride in the jersey and themselves?

Arrogance was the reason I believe we lost, collectively the players thought all they had to do was turn up and we would win.

After 60 mins it suddendly dawned on the thick sods that we might just lose so they started to throw the ball around playing panick rugby, but as they had been so rubbish the whole game it just would not work for them.

It's not good enough!, Wigan haven't been good enough for a while and this defeat highlight's that fact!

I am getting fed up of saying this but their needs to be a change!, because we aint going anywhere at the moment!. Without harping on about it a club of this size should be doing better!

I don't think we have the players or the management to get the club anywhere:

The likes of Fielden etc have been off form for ages, Sean Oloughlin as good a plyer as he is, i don't see him as a captain and we have too many australians whom aren't at it!. We get rid of Mickey Higham and bring in Riddell? what good has that done?

And yet we are still going in for these over priced, australians whom lets face it if they are allowed to leave their clubs in the NRL they can't be that good?

Lenagan has to take action, i hope he is either going to make a change soon or do it at the end of the season!

Although Wigan boss Brian Noble congratulated the Crusaders, he was critical of his side's attitude towards the match which now means they have lost three of their last four matches.

"It was a reflection of our attitude, which I thought was poor today at times. With all the strides we have made in the last five or six weeks, today was a poor effort.

hmmm something doesn't add up here. The great strides in a poor run of form. Noble has lost all his senses me thinks.

Is Piggy still crap then?

What exactly didn't I agree with?

Absolute fookin blinder pal. You got to have a sense of humour when following this set of gutless wonders.

Nobby knocking!

I'm pretty sure I said that there was little point calling for his head as I don't think Lenaghan will get rid before the end of the season i.e. his contract is up.
Maybe I'm wrong and there'll be an announcement on Monday morning.

"Give the bloke a break" Unquote.

I think he has had enough "breaks" - as a guy said near me at the Salford game "Mark Gleeson has turned into Richie Mathers and Richie Mathers has turned into Mark Gleeson". That's coaching.

On Radio Manchester today he has said he hopes the team are hurting as he (Noble) is and he hopes the fans are hurting.......not sure he meant it this way but rest assured the fans ARE hurting big style.....and voting with their feet. In the current financial situation even real fans can't take it.

Going into the garden now to drown my sorrows. Good job we don't have a pond!!!!!

Funny as when the 'swap' happened the Wigan board was full of Wire fans saying good riddance to Gleeson.
As I've said, he won't go before the end of the season in my opinion, but maybe IL knows better. Still don't think there's any need for personal insults and in that respect I say again, give the bloke a break.
Before you say it, no I'm not saying you personally have dropped to personal insults.

You are right I am not into personal insults.

Maybe Wire were referrring to Gleeson's social habits? Again it is down to the coach to get a grip of his team and the drinking culture.(Now I am being a hypocrite as I popped in for a top up!(but then again I don't play for Wigan!!)
Agree that it may not be the right time to change NOW - should have happened a while ago.

We'll see!

whats mark gleeson got to do with this

Enjoying my third beer of the afternoon myself. What do you expect when it's 31oC?
I think Noble will go, there will be a clearout and some of our younger lads will be given an opportunity to show what they can do.

coaching reference.