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| Quote: MadDogg "Yep - weather forecast came in and we all knew what what would happen.'"
Nope, everyone apart from Lam knew what would happen.
I'm probably wrong, but how long was it before we saw Bullock? Getting bullied and keeping the biggest guy we've got on the bench.
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| Quote: sergeant pepper "Nope, everyone apart from Lam knew what would happen.
I'm probably wrong, but how long was it before we saw Bullock? Getting bullied and keeping the biggest guy we've got on the bench.'"
56/57 mins until Bullock came on.
Instead of bringing him on we stuck with Liam Byrne and his multiple knock ons.
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| Quote: Wigg'n "56/57 mins until Bullock came on.
Instead of bringing him on we stuck with Liam Byrne and his multiple knock ons.'"
and he did about 5 mins
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| Recruitment of props-dreadful
Lams use of props-dreadful
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| Quote: NickyKiss "Recruitment of props-dreadful
Lams use of props-dreadful'"
Both true and this is we’re KR has to come in for criticism here. Most other SL clubs have that one/two metre making intimidating prop and consistently sign them too where as we seem to get them once every blue moon. Out last prop in that calibre was Ben Flower circa 2013. You look at the actual cost of these props and they’re minimal and cheap. We don’t need to go throwing big bucks at props (ala Burgess). I don’t see what the issue is in signing what we so desperately need?
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| Quote: Wigg'n "56/57 mins until Bullock came on.
Instead of bringing him on we stuck with Liam Byrne and his multiple knock ons.'"
It was clear Byrne was having a nightmare game after 10 minutes. Generally this season Lam has made some good decisions but if someone is having a shocker - even if it goes against the game plan - you have to take them off for the good of the team.
Can't understand why Bullock is only getting 5 minutes but it's probably worth remembering that when he's played longer minutes this year he's generally been very disappointing. He's only really made an impact when playing 5-10 minutes late in games. Not good enough.
Byrne has been okay so far this year but we know he's got those errors and poor decisions in him. He's not good enough to be a key prop forward for a top Super League side. That's not knocking him. It's a role that you expect experienced props to hold, not props in their early 20's that still have a lot to work on. When you consider Partington and Havard are two of our other key middles it's just blatantly obvious that we rely too much on the younger players who generally put in decent performances and we're getting very little from Singleton, Bullock and Clubb.
Meanwhile I can only assume Ben Kilner has run over Lam's cat and Mitch Clark danced on it's grave because to not give them a chance to break into a poor front row is puzzling.
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| Quote: Cherry.Pie "It was clear Byrne was having a nightmare game after 10 minutes. Generally this season Lam has made some good decisions but if someone is having a shocker - even if it goes against the game plan - you have to take them off for the good of the team.
Can't understand why Bullock is only getting 5 minutes but it's probably worth remembering that when he's played longer minutes this year he's generally been very disappointing. He's only really made an impact when playing 5-10 minutes late in games. Not good enough.
Byrne has been okay so far this year but we know he's got those errors and poor decisions in him. He's not good enough to be a key prop forward for a top Super League side. That's not knocking him. It's a role that you expect experienced props to hold, not props in their early 20's that still have a lot to work on. When you consider Partington and Havard are two of our other key middles it's just blatantly obvious that we rely too much on the younger players who generally put in decent performances and we're getting very little from Singleton, Bullock and Clubb.
Meanwhile I can only assume Ben Kilner has run over Lam's cat and Mitch Clark danced on it's grave because to not give them a chance to break into a poor front row is puzzling.'"
I understand Clarke because he’s dreadful. It doesn’t Kilner playing kinda do your own point about young props? I do agree though that our over reliance on young props isn’t healthy and, sadly, about Byrne. Our props are just solid, the type you do need in a team but the problem is they go alongside the big metre eaters and compliment that type and vice versa
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "I understand Clarke because he’s dreadful. It doesn’t Kilner playing kinda do your own point about young props? I do agree though that our over reliance on young props isn’t healthy and, sadly, about Byrne. Our props are just solid, the type you do need in a team but the problem is they go alongside the big metre eaters and compliment that type and vice versa'"
but was our best prop in the pre season friendly
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| Quote: Pieman "but was our best prop in the pre season friendly'"
He’s still dreadful
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "He’s still dreadful'"
Most explosive prop in SL
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "He’s still dreadful'"
Quite possibly, but so was Clubb.
At least Clarke has put in one decent performance, albeit it was a friendly.
Neither are the answer imo, but it is what it is. We really are at the stage that a steady, experienced kinda prop would probably be our best player.
I'm watching the Cas game and both Millington and Mossop would improve us. Neither are that great, but both are better than anything we have. That's how bad of a position we are in.
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "I understand Clarke because he’s dreadful. It doesn’t Kilner playing kinda do your own point about young props? I do agree though that our over reliance on young props isn’t healthy and, sadly, about Byrne. Our props are just solid, the type you do need in a team but the problem is they go alongside the big metre eaters and compliment that type and vice versa'"
Unless we sign someone there's not much we can do about relying on the young props though, so adding another into the mix is one of our very limited number of options. I'm not saying Kilner is answer - he's only played one senior game and there must be a reason why the coaching staff aren't picking him but it's puzzling that we'd be happy with 5 minutes of Bullock and using so many smaller back rowers down the middle rather than giving him a game off the bench.
I think Clark is the one who possibly deserves another chance. He was really poor last year but he's not the only player to have a poor first season. He's been kept at the club and only a few weeks ago Lam said we'd cancelled his move to Toulouse because he's needed. He played in pre-season and was actually our best prop on that day. I don't see why we haven't just put him on the bench for a game and challenged him to show what he's got.
I know there's an argument that you don't change a winning team but there are more than enough examples in every sport of teams repeatedly changing a few personnel around every game and still winning. We've looked laboured in several games already this year - our props have rarely excelled and surely it's a case of constantly seeking to improve and putting pressure on players to perform rather than unnecessary tinkering.
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| Quite ironic it was the type of game where Clubb would have been useful.
Whilst he may offer very little what he does bring is the ability to get in the opposition and disrupt them.
At the moment he’s the only prop we have that doesn’t get bullied for the 10 minutes he is in the pitch.
We needed someone to disrupt the Hull lads today, relying on young lads to do that simply isn’t going to happen.
We need a Scott Logan type signing. A grafter with size and a bit of dog in him.
After a great start to his Wigan career Singleton has been poor so far in 21.
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "He’s still dreadful'"
says a lot about our current props then
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| Quote: jonh "Quite ironic it was the type of game where Clubb would have been useful.
Whilst he may offer very little what he does bring is the ability to get in the opposition and disrupt them.
At the moment he’s the only prop we have that doesn’t get bullied for the 10 minutes he is in the pitch.
We needed someone to disrupt the Hull lads today, relying on young lads to do that simply isn’t going to happen.
We need a Scott Logan type signing. A grafter with size and a bit of dog in him.
After a great start to his Wigan career Singleton has been poor so far in 21.'"
Do you think we could sign a rag tag bunch of props from SL and they'd improve us?
I genuinely think that we've got one of the worst middles in the league.
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