Well if you say so, it must be true.....

Sinfiled has had his chance for GB and done nothing, a good club player but not international. When will these thick Lioners realise we do rate him as a club player but can't step up to international level with one of the big things he lacks is size and a big defence.

Chesney Hawkes has done more 'big hits' than Kevin Sinfield!

If he was to start with Peacock, Morley and Graham i am certain he would start Peacock in the 2nd row and not Morley.


I personally would go with...

8Peacock
9Moore
10Morley
11Ellis
12Burgess
13O'Loughlin

bench

14Graham
15Carvell
16Jamie Jones-Buchanan (abit like Bailey, seems brain dead in that he just doesnt care and likes to get stuck in. IMO very under rated)
17Roby

If Smith picks Sinfield for the internationals we may as well give up now. Good SL player but not up to it at international level which is a proven fact.

Next you'll be saying Wilkins is a better player

The inclusion of Sinfield for England depends on who the half backs are, neither Wilkin, O'loughlin or Burgess can play at loose while as a deputy 6. Hopefully Pryce will be nowhere near starting at 6 which leaves McGuire/Tomkins and Burrow/Myler as half backs, by watching Leeds you can see if McGuire and Burrow are used together they need an organiser and a passer not to mention Sinfields awesome kicking game both in hand and conversions.

I dont think Englands half backs are good enough to have a big loose we need a ball handling loose and Sinfield is by far our best option in that department.

No, im saying that Sinfield is better than O Loughlin. Far far better. In fact, one is a champion player, a true leader and one that backs it up time after time in a big game, stearing his players around the park and comming up with the big plays. The other is a second rower who is a good tackler.

So were as he been in the biggest games of them all called INTERNATIONAL ?

Sinfield is not fit to wipe O'Loughlins ! Watch our game against Hull KR and you will see that Lockers is not just a good defender but he is one of the best players to have in the line of attack. Sinfield is a good player like Pryce but not good enough to play the aussies, I would play him at hooker if we were desperate and thats about it.

You'd play sinfield at hooker?



In Super League Sinfield is far better than Lockers. His 40-20 turned the grand final around for me, and it's decisions like that that make him a better loose the Lockers. If you are losing a super league game and you need someone to turn it round, I would rather have Sinfield in my side that Lockers.

However

If I was in an international, I would rather have Lockers, he tackles hard, can hit a gap as well as having an average kicking game (we wouldn't be relying on him, but he could step up if needed)

Sinfield has had his chance at international, and I'm sure even an honest Rhinos fan will tell you that he has failed miserably. After all, who was loose when we beat the Aussies in sydney?? I think you will find it wasn't Sinfield

I have to agree with this - our half backs do not have a kicking game regardless of who we pick there. Sinfield kicked Saints to death at the weekend - IMO his long kicking game was probably the difference between the two sides. While he doesn't offer the same attacking or defensive presence as O'Loughlin we can't afford to go into an international series with no long kicking game or recognised goal kicker. Lockers is a better rugby player but not what the GB team needs at 13.

I dont understand how a player can be far better at SL leval but not as good at international leval

O Loughlin has never done anything against the aussies yet is exempt from a wigan fans criticism :s

There is a reason why Sinfield is captain of the best team of the SL era and O Loughlin is running around like a headless chicken, trying to be a leader at a mid table SL team.

FFS man! O'Loughlin came on as sub against the Aussies, put in 17 tackles in as many minutes, showed the GB halves how to kick (up until then they'd repeatedly put it down Minichello's throat) and, in short, did more in half a game than Sinfield has done in his entire International career! He was also MOM against NZ in the last Tri-Nations and was contender for Man of the Series. Get a grip...we get it! If it's Saints, it's super-duper, if it's Wigan it's rubbish. Please crawl back onto your own board. You're the most boring thing ever to foul up the C&W site!

You are Lockers and i claim my £5

You've only just realised????

ha ha ha ha thats the best joke on any forum, nice one should be a stand up commiedian

Is That one of these??

I can't remember who said it but comparing Sinfield to O'Loughlin is not easy - however here is my attempt.


[uKevin Sinfield[/u

Okay, he's the captain of arguably the best team in the SL era - you can't be a bad player to have this status, and any die-hard Lockers fan must admit this. In SL some of the things he comes up with are spectacular (40metre passes, 40/20 kicks from impossible positions), these actions spark his team into life from cardiac arrest sometimes, without Sinfield Leeds often look a shadow of the team they are.

Sinfield as an international, for whatever reason he has not and quite possibly will not repeat his SL reputation against the likes of Australia and New Zealand. Is it the players he's playing with? Maybe but I doubt it. The opposition is key to the reason.

NRL defense is based around speed of the line moving up, SL yes can be quick in that respect but more often than not the line is slow to move, this gives Sinfield (and many other players) more room to make things happen - change to international and suddenly instead of say 6metres to do something, Sinfield has 3 metres.

Sinfield has never really struck me as a player with lots of attacking capabilities - his passes and 40/20 kicks when done look great but he doesn't strike me as the kind of organisational player who organises his team, run's the lines to break defenses, puts big tackles in - this brings me onto O'Loughlin.

[uSean O'Loughlin[/u

Captain of arguably the greatest name in world RL - again you can't be a bad player to achieve this. Wigan are [ucurrently[/u a mid-table team, whether Wigan fan's would admit that or not, its true. However, we have reached 5 semi-finals with O'Loughlin as captain. Now some people would credit the semi-final appearences to other players - aka Barrett when he was here - but without leadership, which was clearly lacking in the coaching department, how can any team reach a semi-final?

How can any team go up to Leeds and beat them convincingly? How can any team come back from 30-0 down away at Bradford to win 31-30? Answer - no team.

O'Loughlin is a great all round player, in attack he's always looking for work and always very willing to do the hard graft and make the line breaking run's. He run's his blood to water even if he is played out of position, you could play him on the wing and he'd give nothing less than 100% (and I'm sure that is the same with Sinfield). He is not spectacular, nor is he the greatest ever, he simply does his job effectively for his team.

Defensively, run straight at him and you're in trouble, he can make some terrific tackles and really get his team up for the fight to win.

Internationally, I'd say he hasn't reached the heights (playing wise) he has at club level, then again not many have (with the exception of Morley, Fielden, Farrell etc) but he always put's in good performances.

Both Sinfield and O'Loughlin are two very different players, both the same position but they play their game differently, comparing the two not easy to do because of this.

quite a good review of the 2 players there,but you missed the most important part off regarding lockers
injured yet again !

sorry for deleting your review well written but didn't want to fill pages on quote

I take it you found it frustrating that Sinfield didn't take a grip of the game as I would expect him to do, we are lacking a loose forward to take this leader role since Hanley retired from the GB squad at the moment I don't see anybody yet to replace Sinfield

Sinfield again looked a bad of nerves at international level and didn't stamp his authority on a game bar a 10 minute spell just after halftime.

He like many others will have to step their games up miles of we're not to be totally embarrassed next week. He dithers on the ball too long at this level and i really worry about his safety next week.

He needs to start being more decisive in his decision making.

both are hard working loose forwards. however sinfield puts in 40 pitter patter tackles a game but sean puts in tackles that hurt. Sinfield has a better kicking game but we need a loose that will stick it to the aussies. the fact we need a loose to compensate for the kicking game of our halves shows what a poor state the british game is in.

You've hit the nail on the head with the last sentence, it's the reason why DJ is a better first choice lock than Gallen for Aus as Lockyer and Thurston are doing their job properly, and even then they still have Cam Smith to contribute as well.

Infact it's a huge general difference in the game over there and here. Hookers add the extra kicking on the whole, whereas so many of ours are scooters

Just because its a different team with a different stle of play. For a starter most of the things I named where leadership qualitys, making decisions in games etc. Hopefully out best 6 and 7 in the country should be able to make these desicions, while a club may struggle, because they can't pick the "elite" players.

Secondly its a different style of game for me. I'd rather have a loose than hits a hole, tackles hard and can also throw that pass when he needs too. The first two arn't Sinfields best qualities.