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| Quote: Grimmy "Matt King - Was only a first choice player for Australia for a season and a half, got dropped before he went to Warrington. Scored 2 tries in 10 games on the wing for aus at his peak, he's never been world class.
Ellis - Not sure I'd call him world class either at present, looked very ordinary in the last four nations
Burgess - Was world class before he went to Aus, hence him tearing it up in the four nations at the end of '09
The term 'world class' is used far too much, for me if a player is 'world class' he would play in a world 17. The super league players I would give that tag too are James Graham, Sean O'Loughlin, maybe Morley and maybe Richards (depending on how both return from injury)'"
Richards I agree with, but O'Loughlin?  |
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| Quote: Yed "World Class i agree should be an extra higher rare grade
Hanley compared to Richards No contest
that's the difference from being world class to just very very good'"
Hanley compared to all but a handfull who've ever played the game: No contest. I think you're confusing 'legendary' with 'world class' there. The term 'world class' is surely reserved for those who are among the best in the world in their position at any time during their playing career. Richards certainly qualifies. |
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Hanley compared to all but a handfull who've ever played the game
Exactly. A World Class player doesnt even need to become a legend necessarily either. Sorry to use football here but people may understand it easier that way, Rooney is a World Class player but due to his attitude I doubt he will ever be a "legend" of the game. And no i am not likening Richards to Rooney Richards will definitely be a Wigan legend if not a legend of RL in general.
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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf]
[quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]: |
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| Quote: Pieman "Scored a hat trick at Origin, played 10 times for Aus which isnt bad as there arent many international games a year. Scored 60 tries in 4 years at the Storm. When Wire signed him he was one of the best centres/wingers in the world. But, that doesnt make him world class?
Ellis has got player of the season for 2 years in a row at Wests ahead of Farrah and Marshall. Sheens called him dollar for dollar the best signing the club has ever made.'"
King - If he was one of the best centres/wingers in the world, why had Aus dropped him? Even if we assume aus had the best outside back at the time that still makes him the 3rd best centre and 3rd best winger. If you had Tate, Inglis, Kenny-Dowall, Folau, Vatuvei and Richards at your disposal would you give him a run?
Ellis - Good value for money I'm sure and a very good player but he doesn't seem to be able to turn it on at international level unlike Thaiday, Lockers, Burgess and Gallen who I would call world class.
Don't get me wrong I'm not having a go at these guys, they both tear it up in the league but I think they're both a little short of world class. Out of interest who would you rate as the best 17 in the world right now? I'd say:
1 Slater
2 Folau
3 Inglis
4 Tate
5 Vatuvei
6 Lockyer
7 Thurston
8 Blair
9 Smith
10 Burgess
11 Thaiday
12 Gallen
13 O'Loughlin
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| Quote: hula89 "Exactly. A World Class player doesnt even need to become a legend necessarily either. Sorry to use football here but people may understand it easier that way, Rooney is a World Class player but due to his attitude I doubt he will ever be a "legend" of the game. And no i am not likening Richards to Rooney Richards will definitely be a Wigan legend if not a legend of RL in general.'"
Sorry Rooney is not world class. |
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| Quote: Bobby Digital "Sorry Rooney is not world class.'"
I hoped someone would bite on that. The point is he was World Class and isn't now. And the point about Richards' earlier Wigan form was made but now he is World Class and you have proved my point for me very well  Thanks |
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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf]
[quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]: |
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| Quote: Mark "Richards I agree with, but O'Loughlin? ![]()
Always played well at international level, makes a ton of tackles, good metres going forward, brilliant passing game, leadership qualities, good discipline, plays 80 minutes, other than a kicking game what more do you want from a back rower? What 3 starters and 1 bench player would you have ahead of him?
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| Quote: hula89 "I hoped someone would bite on that. The point is he was World Class and isn't now. And the point about Richards' earlier Wigan form was made but now he is World Class and you have proved my point for me very well ![]()
I have proved no point.Rooney was never world class in the 1st place.Just like Richards.
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| Quote: Grimmy "King - If he was one of the best centres/wingers in the world, why had Aus dropped him? Even if we assume aus had the best outside back at the time that still makes him the 3rd best centre and 3rd best winger. If you had Tate, Inglis, Kenny-Dowall, Folau, Vatuvei and Richards at your disposal would you give him a run?
Ellis - Good value for money I'm sure and a very good player but he doesn't seem to be able to turn it on at international level unlike Thaiday, Lockers, Burgess and Gallen who I would call world class.
Don't get me wrong I'm not having a go at these guys, they both tear it up in the league but I think they're both a little short of world class. Out of interest who would you rate as the best 17 in the world right now? I'd say
at the time for me he was better than Tate and probably still is. Kenny Dowall wasnt available then and Falou and Inglis still youngsters.
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[quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp]
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| Quote: Bobby Digital "I have proved no point.Rooney was never world class in the 1st place.Just like Richards.'"
Well, your first sentence is correct! Your posts have proved nothing! 
Richards was never world class? You think it was just good luck that allowed him to score 20 tries in a season in the NRL?  |
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nick nack paddy wack give monoghan a bone hes playing for wire coz they dont want him at home
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| Quote: Grimmy "Always played well at international level, makes a ton of tackles, good metres going forward, brilliant passing game, leadership qualities, good discipline, plays 80 minutes, other than a kicking game what more do you want from a back rower? What 3 starters and 1 bench player would you have ahead of him?'"
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| Quote: Mark "Braith Anasta.'"
Sam Burgess, Greg Bird, Paul Gallen, Sam Thaiday, Anthony Watmough, Luke Lewis etc etc . . . . .
I'm one of SoL's biggest fans and he has always performed well for GB when selected in his proper position.
If World Class means able to hold your own, we have lots in GB - including SoL. If it means you'd make a world XVII then we don't have very many at all and SoL isn't one of them IMO. |
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