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| Jake the Peg:
Maybe you're losing penalty counts because you're transgressing more than the opposition? Just a thought
You really haven't understood this at all, have you? This is not about how many we give away but about how many we receive. Please explain how we're responsible for other teams discipline and how many penalties refs give against other teams? And just to answer your question; we aren't transgressing more than other teams. We're the least penalised team in the league. |
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The Wigan vs HKR and then Hull vs HKR games interested me. If you didn't know which way around it was, you would presume when HKR lost by 16, they would've given away 10 penalties and when they won by 14, they would've given away just the 3 but it was the opposite way around. You would also think a team making you back pedal, busting you open, making ground etc would make you give away more penalties but again the stats don't back that up. The below stats are what Hull FC and Wigan came up with in attack against HKR-
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Metres-1171
Tackle Busts-26
Clean breaks-4
Penalties Received-10
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Metres-1576
Tackle busts-55
Clean breaks-5
Penalties Received-3
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I wonder if Wigan are just better at finishing off those clean breaks and tackle busts thereby not giving HKR a chance to concede a penalty whereas FC are not as clinical so a scrambling HKR defence manages to shut it down and gives away a penalty in the process?
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| NickyKiss:Jake the Peg:
Maybe you're losing penalty counts because you're transgressing more than the opposition? Just a thought
We've had that line already. Maybe you can be the first person to say it who will give a view on why we get so few penalties? We got 3 at your place, when we were totally dominant, we got zero against Huddersfield, when we were dominant, we got 3 against a Salford reserve side, who had given away 9 a game and 12 on opening night and so on and on. We've had 3 fixtures this season were we got either 1 penalty or zero. That Is utter madness. This isn't about losing penalty counts in reality or what we give away, it's about what we get and I've yet to see an opposition fan come back with a view on that, other than to say 'tough'. BTW-You've had 49 penalties in 8 games, compared to our 18. You've had 16 penalties in your last 2 games. HKR gave away 10 against you last week, in a game they won reasonably comfortably. They gave away 3 in a game they lost the week before against us. I don't know the reason other than it isn't a conspiracy against wigan. hull kr gave a stack of penalties away due to ill discipline when we were on top. |
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| Phuzzy:Jake the Peg:
Maybe you're losing penalty counts because you're transgressing more than the opposition? Just a thought
You really haven't understood this at all, have you? This is not about how many we give away but about how many we receive. Please explain how we're responsible for other teams discipline and how many penalties refs give against other teams? And just to answer your question; we aren't transgressing more than other teams. We're the least penalised team in the league. well there you go then. Clearly a conspiracy in favour of wigan given you have conceded the least number of penalties or maybe refs in your games give both sides more latitude hence your penalties conceded and given both being the lowest |
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| NickyKiss:
The Wigan vs HKR and then Hull vs HKR games interested me. If you didn't know which way around it was, you would presume when HKR lost by 16, they would've given away 10 penalties and when they won by 14, they would've given away just the 3 but it was the opposite way around. You would also think a team making you back pedal, busting you open, making ground etc would make you give away more penalties but again the stats don't back that up. The below stats are what Hull FC and Wigan came up with in attack against HKR-
Hull FC
Metres-1171
Tackle Busts-26
Clean breaks-4
Penalties Received-10
Wigan
Metres-1576
Tackle busts-55
Clean breaks-5
Penalties Received-3
One game was a bad tempered local derby with 16 penalties and a sending off whereas the other was a clash against the 2 current best sides in the comp, a showpiece event where the ref was probably trying to let the game flow. According to the SL website you only conceded 5 in that game so comparatively low on both sides |
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Well done chaps,Stats and facts do not sit well with some supporters as seen by a reaction or 2.
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| Jake the Peg:NickyKiss:
The Wigan vs HKR and then Hull vs HKR games interested me. If you didn't know which way around it was, you would presume when HKR lost by 16, they would've given away 10 penalties and when they won by 14, they would've given away just the 3 but it was the opposite way around. You would also think a team making you back pedal, busting you open, making ground etc would make you give away more penalties but again the stats don't back that up. The below stats are what Hull FC and Wigan came up with in attack against HKR-
Hull FC
Metres-1171
Tackle Busts-26
Clean breaks-4
Penalties Received-10
Wigan
Metres-1576
Tackle busts-55
Clean breaks-5
Penalties Received-3
One game was a bad tempered local derby with 16 penalties and a sending off whereas the other was a clash against the 2 current best sides in the comp, a showpiece event where the ref was probably trying to let the game flow. According to the SL website you only conceded 5 in that game so comparatively low on both sides Fair play to you, you've at least come back and given some opinions as to why it may be, even if we probably don't agree. You mentioned above it's not some conspiracy against Wigan and I agree, I don't think it is. What I do think is that a few factors have lead to a perfect storm in terms of us getting an unbelievably low amount of penalties. I don't think all the talk about 'Wigan refs' has helped us and I also think a lot of talk about Wigan slowing games down has lead to there probably not being as much focus on the opposition as there should be. I don't think the Brick has the same partisan atmosphere as ground like Craven Park or Headingley either. Add in that you don't hear Peet moaning in public about refs, ala Burgess/Peters and it all combines to the fact that we're getting way fewer penalties than other sides. |
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| Jake the Peg:Phuzzy:Jake the Peg:
Maybe you're losing penalty counts because you're transgressing more than the opposition? Just a thought
You really haven't understood this at all, have you? This is not about how many we give away but about how many we receive. Please explain how we're responsible for other teams discipline and how many penalties refs give against other teams? And just to answer your question; we aren't transgressing more than other teams. We're the least penalised team in the league. well there you go then. Clearly a conspiracy in favour of wigan given you have conceded the least number of penalties or maybe refs in your games give both sides more latitude hence your penalties conceded and given both being the lowest Again you miss the point. The penalties we give away are relatively consistent no matter who we play. Our opposition's aren't. They are generally only low when playing Wigan. We are a low penalty side. High penalty sides become low penalty sides only against Wigan. You don't find that bizarre? |
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I haven't seen many, if any complaining in this thread that there is a conspiracy theory. However there is something in these figures that is strange. How do almost every team in the league have their most disciplined game when they play against us? I don't think there is a conspiracy by the refs - but there's the possibility of unconscious bias where ref's have been criticised widely about being favourable to Wigan - and they continue to be despite the facts saying exactly the opposite.
Although the stats on 6 again's are harder to find, the ones that are available show we also get very few 6 agains - something you would expect for a dominant team.
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