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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Roby is better this year, which is crazy at his age but it’s true.
Bentley has improved dramatically too.
We have missed Thompson massively of course and he’s probably the biggest factor in us not being as dominant this year, moreso than the gulf between Woolf and Holbrook. Although I do agree with NK that Holbrook is a fantastic coach with a huge career ahead of him.
I agree with you in terms of your pack being on the up, not doubting that. I’m just saying until you’re consistently getting on top of us in that department we can’t write the Saints pack off which is what it looks like is happening here. You’ve beaten us once in 2 years and we were missing our best prop. So I think I little bit of perspective is needed that’s all.
But there’s no denying Wigan’s pack is on the up like I said and you’re looking stronger for 2021, whereas Saints have an element of the unknown about us with 3 new signings coming in. If those signings turn out to be similar to Sia Soliola or Zeb Taia for example then we are laughing. If they turn out like Josh Perry and Chris Flannery then we have an issue ![]()
I'll take your opinion on Bentley as I'm sure you know more about him than me but I think I've seen most Saints games this year and he certainly hasn't stuck out as anything special in my mind in the same way as, say, Havard has, even allowing for cherry and white specs. Roby has been good this season, no doubt, but better than last? Anecdotally I'd take issue with that but if the stats bear you out then fair enough.
Tbh though, a youngster improving and Roby still not losing much (or slightly better if that's correct) is not enough to keep you ahead of our pack next year. My opinion, of course. We are offering way too much improvement next year to still be behind a pack that's basically standing still at best or, I'd argue, going backwards since the loss of Thompson.
P.S. just seen your post on Redvee. I agree that Sezer would make a massive difference to you and would definitely go some way to evening things up next year. Is that a possibility or just a wish list sort of thing?
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| Quote: FearTheVee "Wigan are getting awfully confident aren't they after matching (note not bettering) our Walmsley-free pack in one game. ![]()
I don’t think there’s an over confidence at all. I look around and see most people acknowledging Saints are better than us and will be favourites should we meet in Hull in two weeks. We can sit here and criticise Wiganers for pinning their hopes on that victory two weeks ago (with Saints missing Walmsley) and showing too much confidence because of it but by the same token we can question if Saints fans are putting too much importance on Walmsley. I listen to Saints fans and they basically seem to suggest that Walmsley comes in and all is good with the world and we stand no chance. Was it that simple? The result may have been different but after a 4 try to 1 victory, would he have been worth 3 try’s?
The truth is somewhere in the middle. Saints are still a better side than us with Walmsley in but not by a lot. They would be favourites going in to a game with both teams at full strength but would it be a shock if Wigan beat them? Not really. This isn’t 2019, Saints don’t have Thompson, they don’t have Holbrook and Wigan are an improved side.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "Wigan are getting awfully confident aren't they after matching (note not bettering) our Walmsley-free pack in one game. ![]()
Well I would agree if we were actually talking about this year but as we're talking about next ..
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| Quote: FearTheVee "Wigan are getting awfully confident aren't they after matching (note not bettering) our Walmsley-free pack in one game. ![]()
Completely agree. If you read some of these posts then it's almost like you guys have fallen off a cliff. One game doesn't make a season and one game doesn't break a season either.
There's a good % of the current Wigan squad that, at this moment in time, is all potential and need to actually win something. I'm not saying they aren't good players, but they are in the bracket you guys were in a few years back I.e plenty of potential, but not much to show for it.
There also seems to be a real obsession with what's said on Redvee too. Not sure why anyone who isn't a Saints fan is bothered, or why any would need to go over to the site?
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| Quote: FearTheVee "Wigan are getting awfully confident aren't they after matching (note not bettering) our Walmsley-free pack in one game. ![]()
It’s still Saints’ to lose IMO. There’s an air of confidence but that’s not really strange considering how hit and miss we’ve been all season to finally put out a string of quality, confidence boosting performances and unexpectedly pip you to the LLS. Throw in the signings/re-signings for 2021 and can you really blame the confidence?
Most level headed Wigan fans will tell you it’s Saints’ title to lose and there’s still a risk that we do a Wigan and lose against Hull next week to send Hull, well, to Hull.
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Back on topic about JH - there's some serious NRL talent OOC next season
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If he wants to go back to the NRL and if he wants to go to a decent side, then he's going to have to hit the ground running in 2021.
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