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Quote: Keiththered "I cannot understand how Joel Tomkins is even in the team. Elliott Whitehead was superb throughout the season. There is no comparison between the two on last season's performances. O'Loughlin's main contribution was to give penalties away. He does not seem fit. His injury problems have severely affected his performance. Both were included on past reputation not current form. Westerman played well against Samoa and should have kept his place. I can understand Wigan fans trumpeting O'Loughlin's inclusion as when he is fit is arguably the best 13 we have. That is not at this moment in time though.'"


I agree with you regarding Joel Tomkins.

I disagree with you about Westerman, I though he was poor against Samoa and would have dropped him even if O'loughlin hadn't played.

With regards to O'loughlin you're talking absolute nonsense, first half O'loughlin was very good, both in defence and attack, he helps the attack so much as he takes the ball right to the line. Yes he wasn't 100% but at 70% he easily better than westerman.

Also he's not arguably the best 13 we have when fit, he's easily the best 13 we have when fit.

When fit he's arguably the best 13 in the world. (Ask Ryan Hoffman)

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I can't believe the criticism that Widdop is attracting. If people can't see the improvement since Rangi Chase has been replaced then they are blind.

However it's always been my view that Sam Tomkins is England's best half back. For next year's games I'd like to see Sam in at SO or SH with Lomax or Ratchford in at full back.

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Quote: Aboveusonlypie "...However it's always been my view that Sam Tomkins is England's best half back. For next year's games I'd like to see Sam in at SO or SH with Lomax or Ratchford in at full back.'"

A lot of people on here have said the same regarding Sam, Armchair coaches, and I'm including myself in that. The fact is though, he's not played halfback since halfway through the 2010 season.

Brian Noble was reportedly trying switch him to Fullback, Madge played him at FB, Wane, McNamara, Elliott & McFadden all see him as a fullback. They can't all be wrong can they?

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Quote: Pemps "A lot of people on here have said the same regarding Sam, Armchair coaches, and I'm including myself in that. The fact is though, he's not played halfback since halfway through the 2010 season.

Brian Noble was reportedly trying switch him to Fullback, Madge played him at FB, Wane, McNamara, Elliott & McFadden all see him as a fullback. They can't all be wrong can they?'"

No definitely not wrong. Agreed.

Full back was the right move at that stage of his career. Moving back to the halves just like Darren Lockyer did is the right move at this stage. It will prolong his career anyway. Getting mullered at Full back in the NRL week after week and hardly getting a decent pass worth the name off Johnson, can't be much fun. Time to come home Sam - just like Joel and Lee. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Aboveusonlypie "No definitely not wrong. Agreed.

Full back was the right move at that stage of his career. Moving back to the halves just like Darren Lockyer did is the right move at this stage. It will prolong his career anyway. Getting mullered at Full back in the NRL week after week and hardly getting a decent pass worth the name off Johnson, can't be much fun. Time to come home Sam - just like Joel and Lee. I'm not so sure. I was of that opinion and i have been of that opinion regarding Hampshire but I think it's because of the 'old' way of playing RL with a traditional 6 and 7. It seems that most teams play quite structured with the full back being a more off the cuff linking/running player. A traditional 6...

I think at the end of the day you want your best players on the ball as much as possible but you also want them out of the firing line defensively. I see fullback as that compromise now

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I think moving Tomkins to 6 would actually benefit our attack because having a genuine running threat in the midfield causes doubt in the defence and frees up space for the centres and the FB linking into the line around the back. At the moment Smith and Widdop offer no running threat, and our 2nd row lacks the punch to attract defenders so the opposition defenders can concentrate on marking Tomkins and the England centres because they know that's where the attack will go. I also don't think Tomkins returns the ball that well from FB these days, the more I see him the more I think he's a HB.

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