All 3 have not been released because they were given new contracts before the start of last season that last until the end of this season. I know 1 of the players contracts gave the club an option to sign him full time after 2 yrs which says to me that someone at the club, ie their coaches at the time Darren Fletcher / Pete Williams thought they had potential. So they obviously weren't seen as 'bit part players'

The way to see if that potential could be realised was by giving them decent game time, this of course didnt happen last season, with the new coach playing the same players every week, with these lads getting 10 mins off the bench or not being picked at all. Considering that 1 of them played in SOL's testimonial and was up against Cudjoe for an hour and kept him out of the game, was a surprise.

All of them did get several games with South Wales, all doing very well, 1 even getting MOM in a game.

Apparently they have now been told [uthey[/u need to find new clubs, I emphasise 'they' meaning to do it themselves.

Thanks to the SL Chairman, including our very own, they are now in limbo. It will be very hard for them to find a new club to take them on, especially without any help from Wigan as most clubs will have their squads sorted out. I could see clubs agreeing to take them on loan, but Wigan wouldn't want that as it would leave them still having to pay their wages

Sounds like another shambles then. I can't say I was too impressed with Lyon-Fraser or Bullock when I saw them play but Crow often impressed me which is why I was surprised that he seemed to fall out of favour last year.

If they have been told that they need to find new clubs it sounds like they aren't going to be sent on dual registration to South Wales which is a shame for them because they are players who would actually benefit from playing there. As for the rest of the squad I just don't see what they are going to gain from playing in South Wales. For some it won't provide much benefit and will just be a massive pain in the backside having to travel down there when they can't get a first team game or a loan deal elsewhere.

Didn't our Chairman vote against the changes?

No, Leeds together with Wigan were the ring-leaders behind pushing through the changes.

Why would Wigan push through something that doesn't benefit them one little bit?

i believe there are multiple versions of event being told, wigan being for and against depending on who you speak to.

It saves them money which is what getting rid of the u20's was all about. Just stains and wire objected, but where they have both managed to find a partner club, Wigan of course hasn't, which is quite ironic really.

Going O/T slightly I know, but like you I was also impressed with Crowe and thought potentially wise he was up there with Burke and Carberry in his age group and expected him to kick on further last season. Obviously John Winder had his own ideas and for some reason, I'd be interested to hear what it was, he didn't appear willing to give him the game time to do this. In the couple of games when he did get some time on the pitch, I think it was Widnes and Warrington away, he certainly showed what he could do when given the chance.

Hopefully if/when he does go elsewhere, he doesn't come back to haunt us in the future.

Back on topic, as you say what is the point of sending players like Burke , Powell and others who now have played Super League out to Scorpions, they need at least a Championship team or better still a loan to another SL club, but I think Wigan may have missed the boat.

But if we want a team full of academy products which IFL has constantly said is the dream, then why would we jeopardise that by getting rid of the U20s? Just doesn't sound right to me.

From what I understand he got "convinced" of the proposal by Hetherington and got behind it 100%. What was Hetherington's motivation I'm not sure (but he is from Yorkshire who are stereotyped as being tight-fisted when it comes to money). Certainly Wigan and Leeds have the two biggest catchment pools from local amateur clubs at youth level so never go short for quality recruits whilst there are numerous other clubs just looking to cut costs anywhere at the moment.

I certainly don't think Wigan's development staff supported the idea (but didn't get a say) and once the realisation of how many players already contracted outside of u19s eligibility and the first team 17 panic mode set in at Wigan.

These players now caught in limbo at Wigan are the unfortunate victims. There is various criticisms about Warrington's link-up with Swinton but it does at least mean that probably six or so players are still being developed in a fulltime environment who would otherwise be lost to that level of development.

Lyon Fraser tore his hamstring in pre season just before Christmas so couldn't play until the game at South Wales. ,