Quote: Last Son of Wigan "If you don't like or believe what Vectra has to say then why keep going on about it? Could be interpreted that you are arguing without reason? After all, no matter what Vectra says you're not having it, which is ok, but why keep going on about it?'"
Well the same could be said of you. You're still on here, despite telling everyone that you don't care what they think. Despite having nothing new to offer to the debate.
But I'll answer your question. It's become quite clear that you guys genuinely believe what you are saying. Whoever has given you this information has obviously persuaded you. While I personally am not persuaded, because as well as hearing the story you've heard, I've heard an alternative more plausible version, I was starting to think that at least you were all being honest in that you genuinely felt there was a problem.
But Vectra's last post changes that a little. When he starts talking about Hock being on a pittance and not having missed training etc, I know quite a few people who would strongly dispute those claims. So suddenly it all sounds like propaganda from the Gareth Hock camp again.
Sorry, but that's the way it comes over.