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Quote: DaveO "No. All he did was take inconsistent form in the weekly rounds into the playoffs.

The idea that the indifferent form in the weekly rounds was all part of a Noble master plan was if I recall put forward as an excuse back then but it was soon proved to be a fallacy as it was shown if you are inconsistent in the league due to being poor then you will be inconsistent in the playoffs. Teams need to take some kind of form into the playoffs and we never really did that under Noble.

It was blindingly obvious really. The reason the team couldn't string a decent run if league form together wasn't because Noble was spelling players or in some other way was doing stuff that meant the results went as they did with the aim of peaking at the end of the season. When the team lost, it lost more often than not with the full squad out just looking poor.

Under him we were not good enough during the season nor in the play offs. It was obvious that given the way the team played during the rounds the team was never going to win a GF under him.

FWIW I don't think any top team starts the season with the aim of finishing just anywhere in the top 8, (and preferably 5th these days!) and I don't think Noble's Wigan teams did either.

But I do think as the season draws to as close teams start to take more consideration of players welfare and won't bust a gut like we did to win the league V HKR if that means going into the play offs shattered. I also don't think a team in 5th with one round to go will go all out to finish 4th.

So what I am saying is while the league may be unimportant trophy-wise I believe all the clubs still try and win the weekly rounds until things look to have been more or less decided toward the end of the season. We didn't do that last year and due to some daft losses earlier on found ourselves having to bust a gut to win the league. Wane needs to learn from that but he has nothing to learn from Noble.'"


Whilst agree with your point, there isnt a single coach (imo) that could do better with our current squad. There is a serious lack of coaching talent in this country, the british coaches in particular seem to offer nothing in terms of new ideas. The alternative of Aussie assistants has failed in all cases but Maguire so far, maybe Gentle at Hull will succeed, but even if he does, he will go to the NRL. Maguire was way ahead of his time for SL and the changes he brought in will see us in good stead for a while. If we did have an average year (say we finished 6th and went out the cup at the qf) who would IL look to bring in? As for the horrendous Noble era, the less said about that the better, the man was an absolute joke. He's just released a 'guide to management', hope wane doesn't buy a copy. icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Vectrabeast "Please enlighten us with some of these rumours that the players have placed bets on....... Put up or shut up'"



I'll stand by my statement from earlier thanks'"


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Quote: MattyB "Please enlighten us with some of these rumours that the players have placed bets on....... Put up or shut up'"



I'll stand by my statement from earlier thanks'"
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You just have accused them...... Of making financial gain by duping and belittling fans by spreading false rumours from within the club. Do you believe the current regime would allow this to happen?

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Quote: Vectrabeast "You just have accused them...... Of making financial gain by duping and belittling fans by spreading false rumours from within the club. Do you believe the current regime would allow this to happen?'"



The incident was from around six years ago. I haven't just been a supporter of the club this past year you know! (So no, it's not the current regieme). icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: MattyB "The incident was from around six years ago. I haven't just been a supporter of the club this past year you know! (So no, it's not the current regieme).

But yet you assume this is what has been the case with me under the current regime.................interesting. People should think before they type icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "I wouldn't bother. Clearly some posters on here are here to argue, one can presume they haven't much else better to do.
And of course on here you aren't allowed a different option to the norm, if you do you have simply provided an excuse to let x, y and z to argue, which is ironically what they want.

PS I've never seen a bunch of grown men bitch and moan for a PM, I guess repeated name calling is a technique used to get information off people.

Either which way, enjoy supporting our club and rugby league, even if it contains the most mind-numbingly boring posters in the lad.'"


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Vectrabeast wrote:
I have other options, of course I do. Just none that I intend to make use of just to please some on here (namely the bitter ones that haven't got a clue what has gone on and are just dying to know so spend all their time dismissing any other peoples opinions as if it didn't come from them it can't possibly be true).................


So these "rumours" aren't just rumours any more? They are "FACT"?

Forgive me for waiting to see some proof before I believe it.

And isn't the same in reverse true?
Aren't 1 or 2 posters who are saying this rumour is true spending all their time dismissing other people's opinions because they haven't got a clue what has gone and in truth only believing what they've been told which is a "rumour"?

Aren't they being argumentative by continually defending these rumours without actually coming up with one shred of evidence to explain to others why they should believe them?
As far as I can see that makes them the argumentative ones as they are the ones continually defending a situation/someone whilst not explaining why?

We all know your stance on the situation and as you continually like to tell everyone those defending hock know more than everyone else.
Why don't you guys sleep well safe in the knowledge that you know the truth and let everyone else get on with it?
If as you say the club crumbles and other players leave etc you can come back really smug and smile to yourself safe in the knowledge that it was everyone else living in fantasy cuckoo land.

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I've heard the rumours building over many many months as well. I've also heard other ones about hocks "social" circles being a problem again and again. Which ones do I believe?
I too wouldn't be naming names and posting or PMing people about them but I also wouldn't be coming on here telling people that "I know something that you don't" when I couldn't back it up with any evidence!

If they are true then yeah I do have a touch of sympathy, but to be honest not nearly enough to make me question the clubs decision to get rid.

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