agree... but losing gleesons strength + expereince was a big loss for us i think. His experience and performance in last years grand final said alot to me.

You're kidding, mate.

Sams full back play this year has been brilliant in attack..dodgy in defence...hence Pat drops back to 1 late in the defending set.
I have reservations about Sams ability to tackle a big man...and he certainly cant come up with the big hits that tomy and brett do.

put him at 6 and he'll be brilliant at 6 in attack....if the opposition havnt knackered him up by targetting him in defense..........yes.......thats what will happen..a la Deacs...he'll be the weak link.

so whats the answer?
get someone who can play 6 and 1......a defensive 6, and an attacking 1, and switch him with Sam as needs be.

and ive no idea who fits the bill either before you ask

I'd play Tomkins at 6, similiar to the way saints let Lomax & Gaskell play together, Gaskell does the organising and kicking Lomax does his thing, let Finch lead the team around the park, Tomkins can still do his thing.

I just don't think he's good enough defensively to be a FB.

And he does return the ball back that much from kicks anymore, he is more often likely to pass the ball to one of the wingers.

I've also heard a little rumour that Saracens RU are going to make a huge offer to Wigan to buy out the contracts for both Tomkins brothers.

Like I say it's just a rumour

Whilst I'd love Sam and JT to stay, money talks and at least they would not be playing for rivals. Need to make sure that there is a buy back option for when it doesn't work out.