Eh? Tomkins has achieved more? No he hasn't Fact! He will do well to achieve half of what Mcguire has. Look you can argue all you want but the facts are there, Tomkins has a long way to go. Tomkins record just doesn't stand up to Mcguires and I doubt ever will.

I would like to know what you judge as an achievement

Oh dear, try reading what I wrote. I did not say you made reference to either player's ability.

I was accused by another poster of making a fatuous comparison. I didn't make the comparison initially - you did. I merely pointed out, the comparison having been made in terms of both players being highly thought of by their fans, that Sam Tomkins is the better player.