Egan and Sayer were before my time and I can't make my mind up about Kiss. However, I agree that Dermott and McCormack were better hookers.

Now he has spoken to the media he should let the RFL have the details. I would especially want him to provide details of anybody who's been advising/pushing others to use these, and any other, substances as I wouldn't want them anywherenear our sport especially kids.

If he needs an example he could do worse than look at David Millar in cycling who was banned for two years but by admitting all it helped him to come to terms with what he'd done. He's now back competing cleanly and doing quite well.

it is(sorry for sticking my nose in here) but the majority of it is a very good example, i'm currently reading bret hart's autobiography and he's obviously telling at lot about the WWF performers from the late 80's onwards and being 'cut' and on the pills and how easy it was juice up, which looking back you'd have to be an idiot not to have realised(cept if your 10 years old).

Andrew 'Test' Martin in that list is a good example, he got canned from the wwe in 2003(4) with a neck injury whilst working a match, 2/3 years later he came back to the company and you couldn't recognise him, he was always a big bloke but now he was literally a walking wall of muscle, it was almost painful to look at him, another 18 later he was dead.


think it was yokozuna's weight that killed him, he was at about 700 lbs at one point.

And there's not even the deceased, some may remember lex luger, he was a hardcore roid user, had a stroke a few years ago.

I think it'd be a bit foolish for this discussion to go down the avenue of assuming steroids are the single killer.

In the sports entertainment form of wrestling there is a terrible culture of combining steroid abuse with a reliance on pain killers. A lot of wrestlers are falling into this trap due to the pressures of wanting to be a success and meeting the demands hectic schedules place on their body.

Ultimately this places too much stress on the heart, and can have shocking consequences.

Although these pressures do not exist in RL there is certainly an indication that similar practices exist.

Yes, but that's a civil argument, not a sporting one, which is why I was careful to qualify my statement with "in terms of relevance to RL" and "by the sporting authorities".

I wouldn't have had a problem with separate civil punishment for Hock, for example, but that's a matter for the CPS, not the RFL.
You can't just single out sportsmen for a lifetime ban for drugs, it would have to be everyone.

Very true, although, you could say in a weird sort of way that the owen hart tradgedy was kind of related to this issue, obviously owen was a true wrestler, not a vince mcmahon 'hoss' style monster. Because that sort of thing got vince's dick hard, owen had to revert to his blue blazer gimmick to get tv time and ahead in the business, which as we know, sadly led to his death.

Yeah your right there, sorry pal!