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| Quote: Last Son of Wigan "I see a trend with a lot of the posts on this site, and the constant overrating of our players. And at the same time the slagging off the coach or management.
Lets look these two issues...
For the last 2yrs we've stated the want for an enforcer prop. But what or who did Wigan sign? Stu Fielden.
At the time the best prop in the league, if not the RL, and he's from the UK and in his prime, what a signing. But what has Mr Fielden produced? Very little.
I'm sick and tired of people praising him for basically the basics, he's an average prop in an average league. Why do you think our team is having problems? weak pack that can't bully their opposing pack around the field.
Hock-Very patchy. Moments of great play and moments of madness. Until he gets this sorted he's not as good people rate him as.
Hansen-over all average, great in defence, clueless in attack.
Lockers-Average to decent player. too much pressure on him, the club asks too much of him to be a loose and a capt. not good enough to carry so much on his shoulders.
Coley-Should be a good hardworking prop, but is far down the list of props in the league. No place at Wigan.
Sam Tomkins-Please lets be realistic with Sam. He has bags of talent and potential, but his praise on here is going to far. Anyone would think he's in Barretts league. No where near at this point. He will be good, but he didn't do anything against Leeds.
Roberts-For an experienced winger/fb he is poor under the high ball, Would like to see more from what so far has been an average winger.
Bailey-Average. Decent in defense but lets face it, anyone in SL should be.
This is not a total rant, more of a reality check.. On the otherhand
Tommy, Joel, Carmont, Ainscough look like they fit right in at SL level and haven't been completely overrated on here.
Just remember, this is a reason we have only won twice all season.'"
Overall, a great post though id say.
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| I rate Gaz Hock very highly and he can be a match winner, he is undoubtedly world class on his day and I don't think too many people would argue with that. When Wigan are on top in games, Hock stands out as one of our best, his offloading can be fantastic, he runs in hard and has good vision.
The problem comes when things aren't going our way, when for whatever reason we end up having to defend repeat sets of 6. Hock is the one who will argue with the referee when we get penalised for being offside and give away another ten metres; Hock is the one who will get frustrated and tackle someone high; Hock is the one who, when we have heroically defended our line for 12 tackles, and eventually get the ball back will run to dummy half and knock on for no reason whatsoever; Hock is the one who will throw a wild pass out and the other side will pick the ball up and score. His lack of composure and his rapidly increasing levels of frustration leave us facing an uphill battle and cause the rest of the team to start getting frustrated and the opposition to gain confidence. The fans start booing and the team get demoralised and we end up losing to teams who, on paper, are not as good as us.
If we were a World class side you can get away with having a couple of players with these type of flaws in their game but unfortunately we aren't a world class side, we are a massively inconsistent side. We are capable of beating the best when things go our way, but the reality is things don't always go our way and in these situations we need solid, consistent level-headed players who you can rely on to defend well and keep hold of the ball in attack. In this situation the boot goes on the other foot, the opposition get frustrated about not being able to score, then they make mistakes and we will be much more effective in attack.
A decent sports psychologist would quickly iron out the problems in Hock's game but as it stands I simply do not agree with the the apparent view that he should be in the side every week regardless of what he does wrong.
When we start to get the basics right as players like Hansen do the rest will fall into place. Schoolboy errors are losing us too many games, fact.
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| Hock is only ever bad when Wigan as a team are bad
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| Quote: kirkamania6 "Hock is only ever bad when Wigan as a team are bad'"
Cause and effect.
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| Quote: andyed-wiganrl "IMO the fielden equation is simple.....he burned himself out at the age of 26/7 after 10 years dominating the front row at bratfut. Realistically he still wants to play and give his all, but he just isnt as fast, strong and imposing as he was.
I do feel sorry for him at times, because call him what you want, he is one of the few players we have who goes out and gives everything he has week in week out.
On top of that....i know its almost cliched now....but willie mason flooring him massively damaged his confidence. Prior to that fielden was an enforcer....he had a similar sort of agression to jamie peacock and wasnt scared of getting stuck in.....look at his battles with barrie mac to see how fielden has changed. Being knocked down like that damaged his confidence massively IMO, and i dont think he believes he is as strong as he used to be, which psycologically has also had an affect on his game.'" got nothing to do with willie mason , the lad should never have gone over there in the first place , his mother died just before it , and even had tickets to go over and watch , as shes done in every game hes played , the lad has not got over her death in my eyes , some people greive in differant ways , and this , and only this has effected his game , not willie mason, the lads lost his mother and hasnt played like himself since , so give the guy a break !
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| Without knowing what is actually Fielden, no one actually knows what, if anything is wrong with him.
What we do know is he isn't the player he once was, unfortunately RL and Wigan is a business, if a player isn't performing and is on a lot of CAP the situation must be examined for the sake of the team.
I honestly feel sorry for Stu, but other things sadly come first in this situation.
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