Quote Phuzzy="Phuzzy"To call [uanyone[/u an ape is an insult. I don't believe for a second that you don't recognise that. However. coming from a man who can't see the relevance of having a black partner in a debate about racism I suppose I shouldn't be surprised should you not. '"
I never said that it wasnt an insult to call someone an ape. What a silly straw man. I simply said that it wasnt the same. Are we supposed to pretend that all insults are the same? That there arent degrees of offense? I hope not because that would idiotic.
Quote PhuzzyAs for the definition of a bigot I was referring to your attitude that it's alright to insult people based on their socio-economic standing. May I respectfully suggest you read up on the persecution of the Jews if you're struggling to get to grips with that particular concept.'"
Whose socio-economic standing have i insulted? Since when was 'Jew' a socio-economic standing? Or are you trying to pretend that i was saying its ok to say Shaun Wane is an ape because he is a rich, successful white man in a stable western democracy when it is clear to anyone what i said was that you cannot equate calling a rich, successful white man in a stable western democracy an Ape to calling a black person an Ape when rich white men in that self same stable western democracy presented black people as the equivalent of an ape for hundreds of years to justify their abhorrent treatment of black people.
Quote PhuzzyBy the way, I like the way that you think definitions are only relevant when they support your own viewpoint. The definitions of ignorant and bigot are as above. You sir, are ignorant and a bigot. It isn't rendered meaningless just because you don't like it! To be fair I did laugh reading your ridiculous attempts to argue otherwise; "pointless nonsensical rabbit hole where the word loses any meaning at all" is pure comedy gold. It has plenty meaning, thank you. You just don't like the fact that it quite plainly applies to you! Well I'm sorry for that. Maybe next time you'll heed your own advice and give thought to the words you use when next throwing insults around.'"
and by your own definition applies to you. And everyone else apparently.
Quote Phuzzy
Incidentally, I chose the imagery of an ape in a suit because it was posted on your own board just last week, yet you chose not to respond when it was. Again, your feeble attempts to justify why you didn't is laughable and says more about you than I ever could.
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and yet you choose to add in a comparison to a black man. A comparison NOBODY else but you made. You and only you have felt it right to bring in imagery of representing an ape in a suit to a black man, and only you are choosing to ignore the history of that imagery.
Quote PhuzzyThe bottom line is this. I don't agree with your viewpoint and you don't agree with mine. That's fine; it's a free society. However, if you're going to argue your point I'd appreciate it if you'd at least be consistent as it's very difficult to debate a point with someone who thinks the meaning of words is important except when it applies to themselves, that it's wrong to insult certain people but others are fair game(!) and who rises in indignation over the explanation of the origins of a phrase on the Wigan board but fails to do so when someone posts a picture of a gorilla in a suit on the Leeds one. Just remind me; who do you support again?'"
If you are going to be disingenuous, be better at it.
You can choose to define racism, bigotry or intolerance how you want, but dont pretend that is the only definition of it.
Mirriam-Webster defines a bigot as [i: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)[/i In no way does that describe anything i have said.
i have no problem admitting i think it is ok to insult people in certain ways, i have no problem with people calling shaun wane an ape, no problem with people calling Tomkins a ratboy, Or Ryan Bailey a kn0b, I have no problem with people calling you whatever it is they choose to call you.
I am, however smart enough to understand that there are different levels of offence and different levels of insult. Unlike you apparently, i understand that there is a difference between calling someone an F'ing Fag and calling someone a silly billy. Unlike you apparently, i understand there is a difference between calling someone a N1gger and calling some a prat. I understand there is a difference between saying Shaun Wane is a big dumb ape and the loaded imagery and history when that same insult is levelled at a black man. I do, so does the RFL. You it seems, are very proud of not understanding those differences.
