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In player welfare? Am I the only one who thought Percival should have had a red card for his highly dangerous tackle around the neck?
Union saw quite a lot of red cards for that type of offence last season to try to stop it. Clearly League are less concerned.
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Was undecided on that tackle if it was intentional or not, take Tompkins out of the game?
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I think some of the sholder charges on the kicker were as bad as the high tackle.
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Quote ="northernbloke"Was undecided on that tackle if it was intentional or not, take Tompkins out of the game?'"
Are you saying you only get a red card if you put a player out of the game? Truly strange attitude for you to have. Tompkins could very well suffered a serious throat injury from that sort of tackle. If you want to cut it out, red cards will eventually work, yellow cards will not. Playing a man short for 10 mins if you can put the oppositions star player out of the game will be a risk some clubs might consider.
You only have to look at Quin's DemetrI Catrakilis' hospitalisation after getting a shoulder in the throat while tackling a player to see how vulnerable that part of a player's body is.
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Quote ="northernbloke"Was undecided on that tackle if it was intentional or not, take Tompkins out of the game?'"
Are you saying you only get a red card if you put a player out of the game? Truly strange attitude for you to have. Tompkins could very well suffered a serious throat injury from that sort of tackle. If you want to cut it out, red cards will eventually work, yellow cards will not. Playing a man short for 10 mins if you can put the oppositions star player out of the game will be a risk some clubs might consider.
You only have to look at Quin's DemetrI Catrakilis' hospitalisation after getting a shoulder in the throat while tackling a player to see how vulnerable that part of a player's body is.
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| Quote ="wantawin"I think some of the sholder charges on the kicker were as bad as the high tackle.'"
Agreed thought the ref was poor on those too but no doubt he is NB's love child. |
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The Bunker in The NRL and Union with the Match Official, are more active than our video referee, agree with Percival, the video referee should alert the referee, it will be interesting the injury to the Catalan player if any further action will be taken.
Sums up our game, everything is weak!
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Are you saying you only get a red card if you put a player out of the game? Truly strange attitude for you to have. Tompkins could very well suffered a serious throat injury from that sort of tackle.
Never said that or suggested it, refs decision should never be driven by the outcome, just the actual act.
I was commenting on the tacklers actual intention, was it deliberate or a very poor attempt at a tackle! Didn't actually say what I think the result should have been in my view
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Look at the incident with Tompkins, the VR made the recomendation on it being a card.ypu saw the ref taking the advice As for the injury, Tompkins played rest of the match he wasn't injured.
All games should have VR IMO, but in NRL bunker has too much say imo
Percival has done a few similar challenhes over last few games have seen him play, so erring on the thinking it was deliberate not careless
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Still a red card in my view. Shame the ref needed to be "advised" to show a card lord knows what he was watching if he & the touch judges didn't see it!!
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Look at the incident, he blew for the penalty, play stopped, Tompkins was down injured receiving treatment. No cards are ever given until after any injury has been dealt with, at that time ref was probably taking information from the VR on the view of how serious and should it be a card.
Same happened with sami soni injury, after injury dealt with player was given card.
After official has taken advice from all sources.
Without the VR probably same call, had it been stiiff forearm maybe a different call.
He obviously had seen it as the whistle was blown for a penalty
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There should really be no excuse for high tackles & perhaps all clubs should work on getting rid of what can be dangerous play.
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Are you agreeing then NB that Union's attempt to outlaw the shoulder upwards tackle with red cards shows more concern for player welfare than League does?
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| Quote ="Deadcowboys1"Are you agreeing then NB that Union's attempt to outlaw the shoulder upwards tackle with red cards shows more concern for player welfare than League does?'"
I'd argue that union wants rid of "enveloping" tackles as it slows their game down considerably. Offloading in the tackle is becoming increasingly rare in union and the result is more rucks and mauls to go with the 10 minute scrum reset malarky. |
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Not sure I agree with that in NH but maybe in your neck of the woods. What is barmy is trialing in the Rugby Championship when a player gets sent off you can replace them after 20 minutes. Crazy.
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Can't really comment on any RU rules, don't watch the game or follow it. However if union are taking the no tolerance approach with red cards for player welfare then can't knock em for it. Dont know what constitutes a shoulder upwards tackle!
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Ninearches has a point though, it should be down to clubs at all levels to work on improving technique.
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| Quote ="northernbloke"Can't really comment on any RU rules, don't watch the game or follow it. However if union are taking the no tolerance approach with red cards for player welfare then can't knock em for it. Dont know what constitutes a shoulder upwards tackle!'"
Union have a zero tolleranc with head contact. Shoulder upwards refers to a tackle starting at the chest/shoulder area and then sliding up. More and more times now the refs are less lenient regardless of where the tackle starts....if it ends up at neck and head its bathtime.
The 20 minute red card thing is stupid .....but if you look at th statistics, the number of red cards in onion has risen steadily in the pro era and it does often kill a game as a contest when a team is reduced due to a red......I'm with cowboy though....it's a stupid rule
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One thing is for sure, if Percival's attempt to take Tomkins head off was not a red, then John Dalgreen would love playing today.
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Are the red cards in Rah Rah having the effect?
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If percivals tackle or attempt was a stiff arm, eg trying to take his head off then might agree with you, thing was it wasn't. It was his hand, has it been looked at by disciplinary? Looking back at it, he was stepped by Tompkins, it wasn't a swinging arm it was a grab. Union go red with that now league currently go yellow, mebbee it will change next year who knows.
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| Quote ="northernbloke"Are the red cards in Rah Rah having the effect?'"
To an extent I would say yes as tackles are lower than in the past, but it will probably take a couple of seasons to see the benefit. Mind you with the constant changes in rules, its a wonder anyone knows what they can or cannot do in Union.
Personally I like to see appropriate red cards as always better for the team sinned against to get an advantage rather than say "go on report" in League or "cited" in Union where other teams get the benefit of suspensions. Football is pretty good at playing a man down, not sure Rugby has worked that out yet. |
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| Quote ="northernbloke"If percivals tackle or attempt was a stiff arm, eg trying to take his head off then might agree with you, thing was it wasn't. It was his hand, has it been looked at by disciplinary? Looking back at it, he was stepped by Tompkins, it wasn't a swinging arm it was a grab. Union go red with that now league currently go yellow, mebbee it will change next year who knows.'"
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stand corrected, his hand was wrapped round far side of his neck forearm across the neck, still not a swinging arm.
More I look erring on careless rather than malicious.
Kasiano last try, got an arm across back of head why no 8 point try?
A red for percival would have been harsh though.
Just my opinion.
Reaction of players says a lot as well
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