Don't want to open the whole issue of the club's finances on here, it's already getting plenty of hammer on the VT.

However, just one piece of data caught my eyeOperating leases - land: 2009 £141,667, 2008 £30,000.

Assuming that this related mainly to The Stoop, not to training facilities, the honeymoon period now well and truly over.

That 2009 cost is just about £10,000 per home game, about 25% of ticket income.
Overall it's equivalent to about 7% of turnover (which was up by about 20% on 2008 if you want to find a positive).

What is the option?-We have to play somewhere and we cant afford to own a ground(which the running costs would be more anyway).

Improved facilities have certainly worked for Warrington in terms of attendances which would suggest you need a decent stadium(Franchise also) so the option of playing at a dump is not acceptable

Would further add that iirc a figure of around £150k pa was the lease cost at Griffin Park, now for all some folks dislike of the Stoop and where it is, that to me seems a far better return with far better facilities than GP [which I loved but was very unpractical on game days]

I don't see any other option. Just thought that the data was interesting.

Certainly a much better deal than Brentford for the same sort of money, though I too liked Griffin Park as a venue. As apparently did those who sat around me there - very few of them appear at The Stoop. One even exiled himself to the far west in protest.

Yep.

Looks like good value to me.

If we don't get more people through the gates, we will become a selling club.

Sad but true.

I pay about £200 for three season tickets (me and the kids). Assuming we pay double that in programmes, drinks and merchandise, that's £133 per head per season. If we're losing £1.5m pa, we would need attendances of about 15,000 on that basis to break even! Sure, a club that was doing that well would attract much more sponsorship and corporate interest, but we're deluded if we think we're one good push from financial security.

Ian Lenegan said in 2006 that £9.85 was the average price of a ticket to watch a game. If that was still the case in 2009, 44,670 people paid £440k last year to watch games with the average gate of 3,346.
It would be impossible to recoup the reported 1.5 or 2 million losses through ticket sales alone because we would need to fill the ground every week to do so.........
I do wonder where this money is all going though? We get a fair wedge from SKY and probably a few bob in shirt sales etc, together with the shirt sponsors, but to be shipping 30k a week all year, or 55k a week during the season would seem very very very bad business.
1.5 from Sky
44k on the gate
say another 250 in residual/sponsors etc.........£2,190,000 income gives us 78k a week to run the club during the season or 42k a week all year.
Squad of 30ish........office staff of about 5, community team of about 10......where the hell is all the money going?say the average wage in the office/community team is £30k....then there's 8.5k a week. Have no idea what the squad cost, nor MAC or Mr Blanchard.......but if you take the all year figures of 42k income and 30k losses.........it just points to a badly run business.
As others have said.......not the most stable of environs at all.

Smart calculation. Financial statement says turnover was £2,146,378.
Administrative expenses £4,083,182. Hence operating loss £1,936,804.

Thank you David Hughes.
So his season ticket costs him about £150,000 per game.

Like pointing out spelling mistakes, being a pedant is another example of a poster having nothing relevant to bring to the debate.
13 home games, 14,500 capacity = 188,500 fans, at £9.85 is £1,856,725.....less the 3,500 average we already have, £448,175 leaves $1,400,000 in extra revenue......so it would reduce the debt to APPX £550k......

Still, no need to worry about attendances.....the Massive Sponsorship deals with WIN ans Lensbury will generate enough revenue on their own

As for me saying that all unallocated seats at £5 and allocated at £10 next year would maybe generate more revenue.....let's just agree to disagree on how well the club have done this year with a viral that nobody say, 5,000 oyster card holders and whatever else they have tried.....

If DH is bankrolloing the club to the tune of £150k a game, surely it's time to start offering free tickets to local residents....starting with the 5,000 homes within 1.5 miles of the ground. Would only cost him the additional stewarding....a small price to pay IMO.

We've done that with the 90 pound season tickets and as you repetitively keep pointing out crowds are going down

15 pound isnt bad a price for entry