Without Danny Orr in the second half we didn't have a clue, no direction, no nothing. Luke Gale can't be expected to steer the team around yet. Very worrying if Danny's neck proves to be a lomg term problem

It would seem so. Without Danny we will drift this season, let's hope he gets well soon (and Hecks). To think we could have had Rinaldi as back-up!

We were Orr-less and Rudderless in the second half. Though I thought Temata played well, as did Sharpy, BTW are we trying a) to wear him out or b)to turn him into a forward? To much one-up stuff and then forcing silly passes where nothing is on. We were caught in possession three times on the sixth. If we want to know how to play in tight games see HKR in the second half. Brilliant kicking and support play. Gafa is not fit and Clubb should be brought back pdq.

The second half reminded me of the Dragons game.

The attack lacked any impetuous, direction or structure. Its no wonder we didn't score any points.

The first forty was a real good contest and I thought we acquitted ourselves well. We probably could have put a few more points on though.

The alarming difference with and without Orr is surely something that won't have gone un-noticed by our rivals.

One the positive side, we've managed to retain 7th position in the table, with a game in hand over all bar the bottom two sides.

Yes.



Gale isn't ready, not surprisingly. Dorn demonstrated what he does and doesn't do well, and playmaking isn't one of his "do well"s. So, no effective halves. Randall seemed to be off for much of the second half too. And it's time for Robinson and Williamson to start showing up.

Let's hope it was just an Easter backlash (Morgan would say so if it happened to HKR), after all it's only Leeds next.

Maybe its time we gave Kaye his chance as backup to Randall. Don't know if he can cover half back but we are being told the 7s and 9s are interchangeable in the modern game. Gale still has a lot to learn and seems to be nervous. If Orr cant play against Leeds give him a go. If we cant put in a performance against HKR we aint gonna trouble Leeds so this is an ideal time for him.

Couldn't understand why Williamson played dummy half for a fair while - even Louie got involved at one stage at the play the ball. Seems the organisation was not there either when we had the ball. Hull KR played well but we let them - in contrast with Catalan who I thought were very impressive dictating play. Today if it hadn't been for Howell's run I couldn't see us getting into Hulls half.

Anyone know how the reserves got on?

I arrived just as the final whistle blew. Scoreboard was showing a win to HKR, I think it was 10-24.

We had one look at their line in the second half with 10 plays(due to a HKR touch) and we were clueless. Randall was off as was Orr, and we just didn't seem to have a plan. We must be the only club in the league playing with one hooker- Cunningham/Roby, Clarke/Higham, Baderus/Diskin, it goes on. If Randall isnt an 80 min player then we have to have an altrenative option.

Why did Purham not put his hand up and move into a play makers role when Orr went off? He's played 6 for England in the past.

The second half was absolute rubbish. Credit to HKR they played well but they're certainly not a top side.

In summary the past month has shown us up for what we are which is an 8-12 team. Hudds twice, HKR, Catalans(teams that are 4-8 on current form) have beat us easily.

Wire, Celtic, Reds - bottom 4 on current form we have beaten easily.

Sometimes we set our expectation higher and get disappointed by some of these defeats but the reality is there in front of our eyes

Why was haggers not playing, he gives 100% every time he gets on the pitch. Was he at the game? Didn't see him or Jon Wells in the bar after the game.

Both in the reserves.

I said before the game I was surprised we had not freshened up the team after the Easter weekend where we have used pretty much the same 17. Im not sure if the second half performance was due to fatigue.

Mac stated he had confidence in the squad. If his view remains use them.

Did not attend my self as I live the wrong side of the M62, but lets hope things do get freshened up for Friday at Leeds or we will be completely mullered. Still I like going to Headingley as the fans are a good laugh and its near enough for some-one else to drive and I can have a beer or two

No I dont think we are a one man team, I think we have 3 key players that we need on the field and in form. Orr, Randall & Purdham. Dorn is not an organiser and that is not why Mac bought him back here. Its more about combinations and Orr and Dorn is a good combination with Danny steering the team around magnificentlyand takes real control of the game, Dorn on the other hand has a good running and passing game and excellent support game but he will never be able to do what Danny does.

The main issue with Sunday was that Orr and Randall were off and I think these days that 9 & 7 are the key positions in a team and it certainly is the case with us. We have two organisers in the team in Randall and Orr and to have them both off at the same time is always going to be extremely tough for us. Mind you take out the 9 & 7 from most teams and they will struggle.

We are not in the position to have good enough players in those key positions yet but I am sure that is what Mac is planning with lads like Kaye and Gale. But unfortunately we have to wait a bit for them to get up to where we need.

We were flat when we came out and were really on the back foot.
Less to do with Orr missing and more to do with the old Herbal relaxants we seem to give the team at half time most games.

New fitness coaches?

That's the second time this season I've seen our organisation fall apart once Orr has gone off, it's not so much the decision making, but the organisational aspect. We simply lacked direction and shape in our play.

Gale looks fine coming on as an impact hooker, but he doesn't appear ready to guide a side around at this level.

We were told at the beginning oof the Season, we had not gone for that one big star player,whos the be all of what the team does, but a team of workers and who will play for each other.

Well yesderday we saw what happens when you lost one player that the team are depending on and then have Mac comes out and said losing Orr cost us because no one to lead us round the park.

Well im sorry for once i dont buy it. we had Purds out there a GB international and for a few games a Captain of the old England set up under Cullen but most important hes our Captain. IMO he was wasted yesderday, yes he did play well (one of about 3) so why wasnt he moved to SO and Dorn to SH when it wasnt working under Gale. dorn use to have a good kicking game,not so much the high ball but a decent grubber but you never see any of that. Cook and Dobson were killing us with that.

As for Randall the guy just looked tried and to TBH he just didnt look interested at some points, i cant remember a game when i didnt see him not rush to or want to be in the DH postion and seemed willing to let others do it. I think this is were we need Kaye whos is a hooker can play that role, we just seem to be trying to push Gale into that role.

And as for our forwards, they just dont look like or want to hit the line hard and compared to Hullkr's and have to say Catalan's they look slow. I dont know if there is a problem with Haggerty but it seems like we play him for one game then he misses the next, is he not fit or just fell out with Mac (like another ex forward did last season).

Sorry for rant and i expect i be told i dont know what im talking about (and to fair sometimes i dont),but i just like a few other getting fed up of driving 2 hours round the motorway to see us lost our home games.

Sounds about right to me!

Was Randall carrying an injury ? He normally plays the 80 and gets to every play the ball.

Not this season he hasn't

Not for awhile, has he?