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| Quote retirethename="retirethename"Remember we were playing the side holding everyone else up for G*D's sake. They are not a top draw team (although I hope one day they will be). For crying out load give PB a chance, Rome was not built in a day. Look at many of the crowds lately and they look poor. Cas V Wolves was about 5500 - I bet that in the past would have drawn 7000 to 8000 (and Cas are going well at the moment).
The new bloke needs a chance to set out his stall, make a plan, get DH's backing and motivate the back office (who must be worn to the bone having to prop up everything for over a year). Then crack on. He has been in the job, what three months tops? Most people joining a new company need three to six months to understand the tools, processes, PEOPLE etc.
If PB had gone in all guns blazing he would be a fool, he needs to get the back office's trust first and foremost.
=redAs for the CATS game, yes that is shocking and SKY have not done us any favours at all. But you can't blame the club, DH or PB for that. Of course they could have said to SKY - shove it. But it's not a good idea to bite off the hand that feeds you.
I pity the poor Warriors!
All the best in NZ, you will be missed GF.'"
The club could do nothing about the Catalans game - SKY say jump you have to say how high. Where the club went wrong IMHO is saying initially that they had objected to the move - it was a PR disaster.
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| Quote Paddock Punter="Paddock Punter"The club could do nothing about the Catalans game - SKY say jump you have to say how high. Where the club went wrong IMHO is saying initially that they had objected to the move - it was a PR disaster.'"
Correct.
And, if this is an example of how the new man does business, it goes a long way to explaining his colourful list of past jobs over the last 10 years.
NFL Europe, SFA, Southampton, Surrey CC, Hull KR. all in the last 11 years...............Not one of these organisations seem to have tried to keep him when he left. I am sure he is a very capable person, but as CV's go, it does raise a slight amount of concern IMO that is.
6 jobs in 11 years........read into that what you wish.
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"Yeah.....let's keep stumbling along and hope David Hughes doesn't find a new toy to play with.
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applauding a common sense posting, it's good to hear that perspective hasn't gone completely out of the window
Quote gutterfax="gutterfax" the only way to rectify it is to put cash on the table for proper marketing.'"
DH owns the keys to that budget. If he chooses not to release it, then the club goes down with him, but at what point does that become the GM's fault? As HKB points out, he needs to earn DH's trust. I think you're expressing your angst at the wrong person. Someone who's been in charge for 2 months or 10+ years?
Btw - I suspect the break even for any benefactors at the club is an attendance of circa 10k depending on ticket price. It's prob not going to happen in our lifetime, but we can hope. There have been plenty of incidences of sub 2k audiences in the past 15 years and the club has survived....
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| Quote poorlytoe="poorlytoe"applauding a common sense posting, it's good to hear that perspective hasn't gone completely out of the window
DH owns the keys to that budget. If he chooses not to release it, then the club goes down with him, but at what point does that become the GM's fault? As HKB points out, he needs to earn DH's trust. I think you're expressing your angst at the wrong person. Someone who's been in charge for 2 months or 10+ years?

Btw - I suspect the break even for any benefactors at the club is an attendance of circa 10k depending on ticket price. It's prob not going to happen in our lifetime, but we can hope. There have been plenty of incidences of sub 2k audiences in the past 15 years and the club has survived....'"
On the club site it says
"Paul is responsible for the day to day running of Harlequins Rugby League and his top priority is to increase attendances at matches."
On Point 1. The day to day running of the club. Top job so far with the Catalans fiasco  give him a pay rise.
On Point 2. We are nearly 1,000 fans down since we left TW8 for TW2. Not his fault at all, but still, since he joined we have had the bring a mate for free campaign and NO FOLLOW UP CONTACT to those people. We have had George Sampson (not cheap I should imagine) with no chance of any of the screaming teens coming back.
So, 60 days into the job and all that has happened is we seem to have lost a Commercial Sales Manager, the head of the volunteers group and pretty much nothing else
Sorry, I know it can't be easy getting funds out of DH for marketing, but I take it that PB would have had to offer some kind of Business plan to DH when he was interviewed for the role. If I was offered a job that required increasing attendance figures, but was told there was no budget to achieve this, I doubt I would take the job on.
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| i really feel for the management at quins, they are producing a good standard of rugby which is comparable to anything (saints apart) in the heartlands. just a pity that more people don't turn up and watch them every week..............i know i would if i didn't live 200 miles away.
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"On the club site it says
"Paul is responsible for the day to day running of Harlequins Rugby League and his top priority is to increase attendances at matches."
On Point 1. The day to day running of the club. Top job so far with the Catalans fiasco
give him a pay rise.
On Point 2. We are nearly 1,000 fans down since we left TW8 for TW2. Not his fault at all, but still, since he joined we have had the bring a mate for free campaign and NO FOLLOW UP CONTACT to those people. We have had George Sampson (not cheap I should imagine) with no chance of any of the screaming teens coming back.
So, 60 days into the job and all that has happened is we seem to have lost a Commercial Sales Manager, the head of the volunteers group and pretty much nothing else
Sorry, I know it can't be easy getting funds out of DH for marketing, but I take it that PB would have had to offer some kind of Business plan to DH when he was interviewed for the role. If I was offered a job that required increasing attendance figures, but was told there was no budget to achieve this, I doubt I would take the job on.'"
Yeah, you're right mate, sack him and be done with it. And anyone else who can't turn water into wine within 60 days. You've already made your mind up.
You keep on whipping your cronies into an extremist frenzy. Though I'm not quite sure what good that does? 
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| Quote Fan50="Fan50"Thought BM was on contract for the next couple of years??'"
He is, extended his contract last year before the Leeds game, can't remember for how long though.
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| Quote poorlytoe="poorlytoe"Yeah, you're right mate, sack him and be done with it. And anyone else who can't turn water into wine within 60 days. You've already made your mind up.'"
I don't think any one is asking for miracles here but to carry on the crappy analogies we are looking for a little bit of smoke before the fire gets going.
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| Quote poorlytoe="poorlytoe"
You keep on whipping your cronies into an extremist frenzy. Though I'm not quite sure what good that does?
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Sorry.......extremist frenzy? my cronies?
I have no cronies and as for extremist frenzy" WTF
Put simply, I work in Sales. I have a target. I don't get 6 months to "bed in"...not even 6 weeks. I hit my target, or I get fired.
If you like, why don't we just write off this season altogether. I mean to say, it's not like it's his fault we are badly supported is it.
He was offered a job. He accepted it and now he must deliver. No if's, but's or maybe's......more fans at the stoop and sooner rather than later.
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| Quote Fingerposts Finest="Fingerposts Finest":319nzvv5i really feel for the management at quins, they are producing a good standard of rugby which is comparable to anything (saints apart) in the heartlands. just a pity that more people don't turn up and watch them every week..............i know i would if i didn't live 200 miles away.'" and the converted know what the sport is like, the scary issue currently is in the sad decline of the "hard-core" due in part to what is percieved as stupid mistakes on the part of the club.
We cannot afford to alienate that section of the supporters who have been through all the griefs of the past.
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| Agree totally with your last sentence Homer and was shocked on Saturday at the amount of people who have been coming a long time (like myself) who were seriously naffed off. I think we lost a lot when the coverage went from the Metro. I honestly don't know what the answer is and obviously there just aren't the funds to mount a very serious marketing campaign.
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| Quote Homer="Homer"We cannot afford to alienate that section of the supporters who have been through all the griefs of the past.'" sad to say (and I do not include myself in the group who have given so much to the club BTW), they already have.
I am sure a lot of you received the email from Russ Morris and I wish him well in his attempts to get something started, but I believe that the heart of the club has been, if not ripped out, then definitely damaged over the last week or so. Believe me, I never give up without a fight and for me to wave the white flag of surrender over marketing speaks volumes about how the club have staggered and stumbled over the last 3 years.
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