Success is a factor, a win is generally better than a loss, but closeness of the outcome outweighed it in the correlations I'm pretty sure. It's been a few years, but simplifying I think I the order of most positive impact was:

1. Close win
2. Close defeat
3. Large win
4. Large defeat

The real killer metric was the variance between winners and losers score - the smaller the variance, the better the retention & audience growth. It is the uncertainty that creates excitement etc

Another week, another seating debacle.

Walk up Quins fan gets seat in the middle of Hull fans.

No wonder mates of ST holders don't want to come back.

It was ridiculous last night as, with no end stands open, there was the sight of groups of people who had obviously purchased tickets on the day were walking around the Etihad Stand trying to find two seats which were together as they could only find single seats free. Coupled with some Hull supporters placed near to the half way line. It's just absurd and completely avoidable - open one of the end bloody stands.

I don't for one minute expect anything to change though.

North stand for the away fans. Simple really. Live games will always be against one of the bigger away following teams so cannot see what the problem is

2 lost supporters yesterday because of this who didn't come when informed of the ticketing arrangements.

Utterly disgraceful that a walkup supporter 15 minutes before kick off can only get a ticket in the middle of the Hull fans (AC).

The club really has to deal with this urgently. How hard is this to solve FFS.

The away fans always went in one end at Brentford. They want to sit together the home fans want to sit together. makes for a better atmosphere. Are the club just reluctant or is it the cost of stewards? If we had 10,000 fans it wouldn't be an issue.
it is a shame as in all aspects of the game were are highly competitive, it's just getting the numbers in.

Ended up dragging 3 friends with me yesterday, I am sure that only 1 might return. The fact that the seats were once again low (pre purchased friday) and this time in the rain.

Thats a total of 9 different friends who I probably will convert 2 of them to return in the future.

Seriously considering not returning myself at the moment.

I also suspect that we wont crack crowds above 3500 most of the season with these seating restrictions in place, all to save a few £'s.

Open the North!

As an away fan, it is rather iritating to be allocated a seat, you can't sit with friends who arrive at different times, also someone was sat in "our seats" so we sat in someone else's, further up and drier too. Why do the seats have to be allocated? If the stadium can't muster up enough stewards or afford to pay them, at least don't bother giving seat numbers and let us sit where we like. - I'm certain all the Quins fans want to sit together as do the away fans - apart from that and the result another enjoyable weekend darn sarf.

I noticed a few frustrated Hull Fans around the ground regarding seating arrangements.

1. Has there been an Open forum with fans and people who run the club ?

2. On the Steward issue has any one asked this question

Volunteer stewards ?

im sure a lot of people wouldn't mind, if the opportunity was there, to do it for free. I know if i could make myself available i would willingly do it (for the sake of the game)

on the tickets issue

How hard is it for the people in the booths to say

"Harlequins or Hull"

North home, south away ?

It's not rocket science is it ?

I wasnt going to enter this debate on this subject, but now feel have to say something.

I couldnt get to the game last night and ended up watching it on TV. and i have to say this PLEASE PLEASE who ever is in charge of this matter at the Club now sort it out and move the away fans in to one of the Stands behind the posts, because on TV it works awful. I sat there watching my team play a great game of rugby in what looked like a empty ground.

Every time Sky switched cameras from the Lexus stand to behind the posts it showed this plan just does not work, it look so bad my mate who popped something in for me thought i hadnt gone because the game was being played behind closed doors for some reason, thats how bad it looked to him.

Its not to late to rethink this idea, we are still in the early part of the season so have plenty of time to try something diffrent.

So as a concerned fan please Mr Blanchard for your first act as General Manger if not for next weeks game then at least for HullKR game move the away fans to behind the posts in the South Stand( i want it this stand as it has a higher roof so they cant bang on it like that can in North Stand). then allow Quins fans, who are the Clubs life blood and we are draining this blood away with this set up, to sit where they like in the Etihad Stand mainly in the middle if possible.

It will work we all know it will work, it worked in the first season at The Stoop. it will still look good on Sky (not like they are here every week is it). I think not only will our fans be happier so will the away fans as they will know where to go and be able to sit with their mates just like Quins fans will be able too.

So in fear of repeating myself Mr Blanchard,as a concerned fan who comes here and reads that loyal fans are thinking of leaving and those who tried hard to bring mates along and feel embarrassed at where they have to sit or try and watch from, act now before we get to far into the season and we have even fewer fans coming.



Maybe this is what we all should do and E mail Rammo about this on his Radio show,get him behind us so he can push to get Mr Blanchard in the Studio and we can all ask him out right on this subject (well if anyone has the bottle to phone in

),but the more e mails he gets on this subject maybe he take a little notice. He might think about sorting out a fans forum to talk about it.

This happened to a mate of mine at the Warrington game. He'd been a ST holder in previous years. Was expecting to see him at the game last night but he wasn't there!

we need to re-market ourselves to RL fans now we are a credible team with home grown players. It would be great if Stevo or Clarke plug us on our next home games and call out to all the thousands of southerners watching on SKY and tell them to get to the Stoop and watch this exciting team full of home-grown stars. Sell sell sell. Discounted tickets to RU fans aint gonna work, just like Leeds Tykes didnt get thousands of Rhinos fans along, and if Wigan started a union team they wouldnt get thousands of RL fans along.

The ticketing has been a joke this season.

Wigan, I arrived late due to trains and walked up to the gate and paid £15 and was given a ticket in the Club seats in the East.

Warrington, arrived long before kick off, paid £20 at the gate and was allocated a Jester seat in Row A.

Hull, asked at the turnstile if I could pay cash whilst waiting for someone to arrive and told "Yes". When all the party is together we walk up to the turnstile but are stopped by a steward who sends us to the Ticket Office stating no cash. Ticket Office give us 3 tickets for £20 each and ask us where we'd like to sit, offering us blocks and rows to choose from. We buy our tickets, proceed to the turnstile and see a line of people paying cash. Didn't see the 'abuse' from Hull fans and didn't have that many around me, but that's three games so far where the seating arrangements have been different. It's just pot luck as to how they're feeling about doing it on the day I think



We need this sorted, clarified and dealt with!

Does anyone know who is on Rammo's show Tuesday this week? Could be worth while emailing in a few questions at least get the subject aired as it seems to be vexing quite a lot of support (if RL Fans is any indication).

As both a season ticket holder and a 'supporter' find the moans, complaints and arguments about 'seating' both depressing and at times totally pathetic.

If you are a 'real' supporter you should be buying a season ticket and if you need to order 'extra' tickets for 'mates/family' etc you just need to ring the club 'requesting' that you all sit togeather. OK you might not have the original view your season ticket provided but it's a small penalty for that game more so if any then become regulars.

To be quite honest that while I agree the QRL 'ticketing' set-up has not been that clever in recent seasons am sure that with our new GM now in place he will be giving this urgent priority for the '10 season.

I beleive these 'moans' are justified by a group of supporters who genuinely care about the growth and survival of their club. If the fans that are already attending are complaining about their game day experience, what are those new to the game going to think...



So I am not a real fan? Since my arrival in the country last year, I've attended plenty of games, bought a bit of merch (jersey etc), commited to going to Murrayfield this year and possibly to the Catalans game.

I didnt purchase a season ticket for two reasons.

A) My irregular travel and work commitments at the time made it hard to commit. In hind sight, after attending 3 games already this season I should have shelled out.
B) Wanting to bring friends to the game and sit with them

However, the club has probably benefited in the form that I will probably spend more on tickets then if I had commited on a season ticket. They have also benefited from me dragging 3 or more friends to each game this season. As you will find from previous posts, I am having trouble converting them to return purchases mostly due to sitting in front rows at most games. Last week at half time we found some better seats and took them, all 3 friends thoroughly enjoyed the dry second half with a decent view.



Its not to late to open the North to away fans in a GA capacity, I'm sure most of them would love the opportunity to sit together. I personally saw and spoke to a few irate Hull fans on Saturday.

What an idiotic post. Hardly unusual for you though.

hindscrack is spot on.

Are you delibdrately winding people up or were you born stupid? If all "real" supporters were STHs we'd never grow our crowds, as who's going to just buy a ST for a club they've never watched before?

There's considerable anecdotal evidence that casual supporters and friends of regular supporters are being put off attending ths season by the allocated seats only policy. I would have invited a friend along on Saturday who's never seen RL before, but I won't as she won't be able to sit with me and I can't be bothered with the hassle of attempting to find out whether I can move from my usual Gold seat to sit elsewhere with my friend. Yes, I could phone the club beforehand and attempt to make suitable arrangements, but what a f***ing palaver when more than two thirds of the seats in the ground are empty, or when I might not know whether friends will be able to make it until short notice.

At every other SL ground I've been to you can pay on the gate to either stand on a terrace or sit in unallocated seats; i.e. you can turn up, find your mates within the ground, and sit/stand with them. At the Stoop you can only go in one reserved seat and if you don't buy adjacent tickets with your mates at the same time as your mates you can't watch the match together.

I fully understand the need to minimise stewarding and staffing costs on matchdays, but by keeping these overheads to an absolute minimum in the short term we're strangling our chances of building our crowds in the medium/long term. (As if we can afford to turn anyone away when our crowds are barely half the next lowest average.)

We've got far too many different price bands; we should just have two price bands: something in the £22-£25 range in the central blocks near the halfwayline (reserved seating) and something in the £17/£18 range in whichever other parts of the ground are open (I accept we shouldn't be opening more than half the seats in the ground until we can fill most of those) with seats unallocated, thereby allowing regulars to sit with their mates who attend occasionally.

Just thought I would post some of the following positive comments Quins RU supporters have made (taken from the `ComeAllWithin` web site). I appreciate some prefer to stick to their own RU/RL code, but I think this demonstrates that there are some/many that are happy to watch either. If the new GM can get his act together with Mark Evans and offer a decent package to the RU fans, this could add significant numbers to our gate.

But as many have said, we are not going to entice new fans if we cannot offer decent seats......we either need to revert to having both main stands open, or have home fans in the West and away fans behind the sticks. Whatever the combination, it has to better than current arrangements which have turned into a complete `pigs breakfast`!!!


Managed to watch the first half (12-12) on TV - now that's what I call grit and determination, well done, great result!

Great result, but a serious lack of supporters, The RL bosses have got to do more to get the fans in, how we can't get 6,000 I just don't know.

The programme had a very interesting comment from the new GM saying they were at the same sort of stage as we were 15 years ago and he was looking at emulating ME's business model.

Its a good product, but the marketing is amateurish, Where are they at Union games they should be handing 2 for the price of 1 tickets for certain games. There should be adverts on the Tube and on buses. We have potential and its not being exploited.

Excellent result and some good defence this week.
We had a few out to boot. Keep it up lads.

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And? Because someone at the club has said to you they are "evaluating" things we should stop talking about it? I think people will only stop complaining when they actually do something about it. Actions speak louder than words etc.

one thread on the serious issue of seating really ought to be enough.