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Quote: Horatio Yed "Living down here and watching you guys many a time on a lonely Saturday with nothing else to do, i have defended the London franchise to the hilt with many an RL friend from up north even a couple down here, and seeing the fruits of all the hard work done by coaches and amateur teams and the rise of the talent pool in the south i'll still defend the London franchise BUT not this one.
Broncos time for me is up, it has stagnated at the bottom of the SL pool and there are plenty of turds floating in it.

Time to show the door to Broncos, look for someone with more ambition than a club happy to be just renting stadia, employing youth coaches out of their depth and sticking by them, re-employing a failed coach and sticking by people whose job it is to improve the crowds and revenue but makes it worse.

Broncos it was good while it lasted but now you've over stayed your welcome and the only person you're entertaining at this party is yourself, no one else is amused anymore'"


I think you hit the nail on the head when you said the club lacks ambition. It is not impossible to be succesful in London, we have a very large potential audience and player base. In that respect we actually have more potential than any of our rivals. However, the obvious thing is that we need work hard off the pitch and also to have a competitive team on the field in order to (i) attract an audience and (ii) retain the players we develop. Rather than showing focus and ambition the management has, over the last few years, stuck its head up its icon_moon.gif and prioritised snake oil solutions like ground changes to solve our problems.

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People who makes millions yet can't employ decent people what know what they doing, it's almost management dished out by a clown on the apprentice.
Can't identify a brown site either in London or its very edges for a stadium? Have they even looked?

I can't believe a man of Hughes intellect is such a blind idiot.
Initially we he took over the cluba ll he had to do from the off was
a) spend big on a top class coach
b) spend big on marketing.

Everything else would have fell into place and he'd have probably saved millions.

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The difference between success and failure is ultimately down to the identification, acqusition and retention of players.

The team that was continuously the weakest for the longest amount of time was the Hudderfield Giants who at one point had lost something like 97 of 107 games in and around the time of the merger with Sheffield. They were bottom year after year.

Over the years they went out to acquire the few quality players from their local neighbours of Wakefield and Castelford plus the weaker sides like Salford and over time have been able to absorb players also from the likes of Bradford.

They are now second and clever recruitment and excellent conditioning have been the key.

Other sides that have been bad with their recruitment include Catalans who finished bottom just two or three years ago, only to turn it round entirely with a single good recruitment spree in one year.

Whilst if you look at those who have fallen from glory, again it is the same story - St Helens had a golden generation of players but failed to put in place a recruitment strategy to replace them, whilst Bradford went from World Champions to nothingness in just a few years from signing average players from the lesser clubs.

I'm not saying a new coach would have zero effect.

But I am saying look at the facts - we have been a bottom three team for five years and have been in shocking form starting in June 2009 till now and that has been under three different coaches.

We have been a bottom three side for years and now we are one without one of our best players who walked out mid week and with a massive injury list.

We just have to face facts, that it will take time to build up again, as we have now bottomed out.

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Quote: markrammond "We just have to face facts, that it will take time to build up again, as we have now bottomed out.'"


While I agree our squad is certainly not the best and needs rebuilding, it is capable of better than current results.

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Agree, and lets not also forget we are spending the full cap.

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Huddersfield came bottom two years running, saved one year from relegation by the merger of Gateshead Thunder and Hull and the other time by the merger of Sheffield Eagles and Huddersfield. Look at Huddersfield now - good coaches and team of players who want to win

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There is always hope.

Super League 3: Huddersfield Played 23, won 2 - Bottom
Super League 4: Hudderfield Played 30, won 5 - Bottom
Super League 5: Huddersfield-Sheffield Played 28, Won 4 - Bottom
Super League 6: Huddersfield Played 20, won 6 - Bottom
Huddersfield finally relegated for Super League 7
Then bounced back to finish 3rd from bottom with 11 wins in Super League 8

Things just take time.

And as for the cap, how much worth of salary do you think was on the field for us yesterday? Under £1m?

I am sure there was one point when Warrington brought on a front row of three current or former England internationals off the bench at the same time yesterday, icon_biggrin.gifOH:

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Quote: markrammond "There is always hope.

Super League 3

Time alone doesn't solve anything. First of all you need to have the desire to change and have a plan on how to do it.

We won't be able to improve our squad when we are unlikely to be able to offer anything other than short terms contracts. I suspect our squad next season (assuming we are even around) will be similar quality or worse to this year.

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Quote: jbuzza "While I agree our squad is certainly not the best and needs rebuilding, it is capable of better than current results.'"


Absolutely. It is a better squad than Cas, Salford and Widnes have and ought to be battling with Wakefield, Bradford, Hull KR.

The results are well below par and the performances are worse than the ones that saw Powell booted out.

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According to Zerotackle.com we have 12 players out of contract

Chris Bailey, Mark Bryant, Michael Channing, Liam Colbon, Matthew Cook, Luke Dorn, David Howell, Alex Hurst, Will Lovell, Chris Melling, Chad Randall and Dan Sarginson

rlhttp://www.zerotackle.com/super-league/rugby-league/players/off-contract-2013/#ixzz2VkXdJNmZrl

However I think this an omission as I believe that Jamie O'Callgahan is also out of contract, as he was awarded a 3 year deal announced on 30 September 2010 and the club has never announced an extension since then.

And of course Gower has left.

Gower would have been on £100k-£200k and our highest paid player - this salary will be available.

Howell is believed to have signed a four year six figure (£100k+) contract in 2009 at the peak of his powers. His contract will not be renewed.

Randall is likely to be on a salary comparable to Howell, so that will be another £100k or so removed. He has played his last game for the club also.

Chris Bailey and Dan Sarginson are widely believed to be joining Huddersfield and Wigan, so that would free up another £100k-£150k.

Dorn is another likely to go, as are Colbon and Melling, with the club deliberately not renewing contracts and the possibility of sincere rival interest likely to see them go.

I'd estimate we will have about £650k as a minimum of salary to spend and this will largely be made up of players who have barely featured in 2013, so the squad will be enhanced for sure.

This will free up several spaces on the two overseas registers, although not as many as we would ideally like, as we should be deemed a club outside the heartlands and have the same ability as Catalans to sign players from anywhere.

Things will improve
Rammo

PS Powell won 3 from 20 last season, whilst Rea has 3 wins, 2 draws and a cup quarter final spot, how is that worse than Powell?

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Can you not see the damage this club is doing to the game, forget SL, there are other teams just as poor as London but the huge disservice it does to all the juniors and amateurs in London and surrounding counties.
Every pathetic performance, every amateur decision made by this club damages and undermines every effort the amateur movement make, when LONDON is synonymous with rank amateurism the amateur game is tainted by proxy.

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Quote: markrammond "Blah Blah'"
Can you not see that we won't be in a position to attract decent players. d040.gif

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Quote: markrammond "PS Powell won 3 from 20 last season, whilst Rea has 3 wins, 2 draws and a cup quarter final spot, how is that worse than Powell?'"


I said that the results were well below par but the *performances* were worse than under Powell. Rea's team are surrendering games.

EDIT: 48, 64, 46, 30, 82 - an average of 54 points per game shipped across last 5 SL games.

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Quote: jbuzza "Can you not see that we won't be in a position to attract decent players.
Exactly.

1) Northern players don't want to move South for reasons of MUCH higher cost of living for same money, and dont want to disrupt kids from school, moving house, and removing the family support network. If you live in e.g. Huddersfield you can change club and play for almost every Northern club without needing to move house.
2) Overseas players will always go North if they can because of the lower cost of living. Any players we get will be poorer players who cant get a contract anywhere else.

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Quote: Snoopy "Exactly.

1) Northern players don't want to move South for reasons of MUCH higher cost of living for same money, and dont want to disrupt kids from school, moving house, and removing the family support network. If you live in e.g. Huddersfield you can change club and play for almost every Northern club without needing to move house.
2) Overseas players will always go North if they can because of the lower cost of living. Any players we get will be poorer players who cant get a contract anywhere else.'"


And next year is the last of the 3 year franchise so we can only realistically offer a 1 year deal as we're all up in the air. I see Wakefield signed Tuson from Wigan on a 2 or 3 year deal, confidence from them I guess.

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