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| Quote ="Wire_Yed_79"im on about the people who run the game, the bigwigs so to speak'"
You were at first bleating about Union not helping us out. I would think that Mark Evans is a fairly big wheel in the Union game, you know, running Harlequins RU? Did he allow us to use the brand, stadium etc after our club was on the verge of collapse because he hates us? |
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You were at first bleating about Union not helping us out. I would think that Mark Evans is a fairly big wheel in the Union game, you know, running Harlequins RU? Did he allow us to use the brand, stadium etc after our club was on the verge of collapse because he hates us?'"
yet not a mention in the RU programme of the upcoming league game. more self interest than a helping hand i think. |
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| Quote ="Wire_Yed_79"yet not a mention in the RU programme of the upcoming league game. more self interest than a helping hand i think.'"
So he hates us, yet is doing it for self interest?
Please, explain the logic behind this move in the first place. Why has Mark Evans allowed us to play at The Stoop, perhaps even devalue the brand, and share the resources?
Or has he taken the club and hoped to drive it into the ground to banish professional RL from London forever? |
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So he hates us, yet is doing it for self interest?
Please, explain the logic behind this move in the first place. Why has Mark Evans allowed us to play at The Stoop, perhaps even devalue the brand, and share the resources?
Or has he taken the club and hoped to drive it into the ground to banish professional RL from London forever?'"
so use of the name/stadium/resources has improved the club with these MASSIVE crowds you get every other week? |
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| Quote ="Wire_Yed_79"so use of the name/stadium/resources has improved the club with these MASSIVE crowds you get every other week?'"
You have failed to answer any of the 3 questions. |
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"You have failed to answer any of the 3 questions.'"
if i was Mark Evans i'd give an answer |
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| Quote ="Bandito"Here comes the brains of the outfit!!
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| Quote ="Chris Brown"Oh dear, 2300 is really pitiful and indeed the players deserve better
The club simply HAVE to do someone and it can no longer be acceptable to juts allow this to drift on and on
Fair play to those who go but something needs to be done very quickly to attract more people. We have been talking about this being the biggest issue for years and nothing at all seems to be happening
Its up to the club to take ther initiatve and not rely on fans finding out about the sport for themselves'"
Why is it that the just the club shouldn't allow things to drift on? Maybe, just maybe we as supporters also have a vested interest in Quins RL future.
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| Quote ="The Lambeth Quin"Why is it that the just the club shouldn't allow things to drift on? Maybe, just maybe we as supporters also have a vested interest in Quins RL future.
Or are we just all happy to tap our keyboards and hope that someone will galvinise suporter apathy into action??
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| Quote ="Wire_Yed_79"if i was Mark Evans i'd give an answer'"
You managed to step into his shoes and say that those in charge of running Rugby Union hate Rugby League, so whats stopping you now?
The fact that you have no idea what you are talking about, perhaps? |
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| Quote ="The Lambeth Quin"Why is it that the just the club shouldn't allow things to drift on? Maybe, just maybe we as supporters also have a vested interest in Quins RL future.
Or are we just all happy to tap our keyboards and hope that someone will galvinise suporter apathy into action??
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There are some who believe Quins RL means quins rugby lessons delivered by the union section and not rugby league. This in term leads to "poor" marketing within the community since "everybody knows at RU". I remember my first trip to Catalans and they (Cats) marketed our team as London Harlequins. Maybe there is a lot in a name which for some reason or another is lost in translation and works against us
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"You managed to step into his shoes and say that those in charge of running Rugby Union hate Rugby League, so whats stopping you now?
The fact that you have no idea what you are talking about, perhaps?'"
yet you are a professor of rugby?
and im sure Bernard Lapasset wouldn't shed a tear if we disappeared into obscurity
Anyway i've been drawn into a slanging match so i'll withdraw myself from it now |
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| Quote ="The Lambeth Quin"My understanding is that Ian Lenegen still has his 60% shareholding in Quins RL, but under the agreement with the RFL to buy Wigan Warriors he has to "dispose" of his Quins shareholding by end of October 2009.'"
I guess it could be a worry to find an investor to buy 60% of a club, but with such a low turnover and huge losses I guess it is hardly worth a bean |
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| Quote ="Chris Brown"I guess it could be a worry to find an investor to buy 60% of a club, but with such a low turnover and huge losses I guess it is hardly worth a bean'"
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| Quote ="Chris Brown"I guess it could be a worry to find an investor to buy 60% of a club, but with such a low turnover and huge losses I guess it is hardly worth a bean'"
£10 from me... |
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| Quote ="af"You haven't got a name. Your avatar, Quins RL, AFAIK, was dropped. 'Harlequins Rugby League' was its replacement. This is so long that it is totally unusable, so it didn't get used by the press. 'Quins' did instead. Except Quins is well known to be the name of an existing rugby team. And so we have a sports team without a name of its own. And I am still scratching my head as to why so many interested and thoughtful posters can't see the issue here.
It's not the only problem but it is a big problem and it needs sorting.'"
The name was always “Harlequins Rugby League”, it was just that the “Rugby League” was abbreviated to RL on the logo, that was changed because people didn’t make the connection between RL and rugby league.
The thing a lot of people miss is that rugby union doesn’t even have that great a profile in London (excluding the people who become supporters during the six nations, but think a garryowen is a bloke who used to play for Man City rather than a crap kick someone does when they’ve run out of ideas). Quins RU have done a fantastic job building what they have, but they are the only top flight RU club actually in Greater London, and they’ve built their success on a mix of genuine RU fans who go for the game and social fans for whom it's less about the gane and more a part of a certain tupe of affluent West London socio-economic social scene. Quins RL are always going to struggle to replicate that. |
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| Quote ="Kelvin's Ferret"The name was always “Harlequins Rugby League”, it was just that the “Rugby League” was abbreviated to RL on the logo, that was changed because people didn’t make the connection between RL and rugby league.'"
Fair enough. But 'Harlequins Rugby League' is not what the club are popularly called. It's too long. Everyone here calls them Quins, because they know who they're talking about. But what about the mildly interested outsider? You expect them to trot through all six syllables?
I'll say it again, I can't believe that more people don't see what a fundamental problem for the club this is. |
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| Quote ="af"Fair enough. But 'Harlequins Rugby League' is not what the club are popularly called. It's too long. Everyone here calls them Quins, because they know who they're talking about. But what about the mildly interested outsider? You expect them to trot through all six syllables?
I'll say it again, I can't believe that more people don't see what a fundamental problem for the club this is.'"
Wakefield Trinity Wildcats
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Seems only you see it as a problem, whereas in reality it isn't.
Would you suggest they change their names to Wakey and Man Utd? |
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Quote ="Quin Eagle"I wonder if anyone has the attendance records for the period of Richards Branson’s time owning the Club. We had a great team with rugby legends such as Offiah and Edwards, but ultimately we had a team that was fantastically marketed across the capital.'"
Pre 2000 available here:
www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seaso ... mmary.html
www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seaso ... mmary.html
As an example - 2,153 to watch Salford at the Stoop in 1999.
2,014 to watch Hudds in 1998.
Granted, the team weren't flying high as now, but as you say, Offiah and Edwards and Branson, Wembley in 1999.....but still plenty of better things to do in London. London folk are fickle...
Go here for 2000-2008
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www.slstats.org/t12/Harlequins%2 ... mmary.html
Some shockers all over the place - a 2040 in 2000; a 2198 in 2004, 1800 in 2001.
Btw - have a look at this and compare to a) Quins and b) where they're at now. And this is where the game was invented! Perhaps they're now being well and consistently run and winning games...?
www.slstats.org/t7/Huddersfield% ... mmary.html
Don't get me wrong, attendances so far this season have been terrible, but there was nobody leading the club in pre-season and it's undoubtedly affecting the club now, they're having to play catch up.
I'd give current incumbents a bit of a break - Celtic was always going to be a shocker, they brought about 50 people and I saw nothing of London Welsh (Wales were on TV at 7pm, so I suspect their clubhouse was rammed for that and people chose to watch the Lions there too). Add into the mix - Lions at 2pm, England football at 4pm, England RU v Arg at 4pm and you have a scheduling debacle. I asked 10 mates to come along and they all wanted to go to the pub to watch an afternoon of sport.
South London Storm played West London Sharks at Grasshoppers down the road at 2:30 and couldn't make it (generally both sides turn out a tidy bunch of fans) and Elmbridge (Kingston) and Hainault all had fixtures too. Bummer eh.
There hasn't been time for the incentives currently being worked on to impact - see what happens with the Leeds and Saints fixtures, seems from the programme that they're being targeted.
Btw - the ticketing system employed at the club is apparently run by Quins RU, so if your emails aren't being responded to, why not phone up the RL office and complain bitterly in case your emails aren't being forwarded on to them....they might not know? |
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Quote ="Quin Eagle"I wonder if anyone has the attendance records for the period of Richards Branson’s time owning the Club. We had a great team with rugby legends such as Offiah and Edwards, but ultimately we had a team that was fantastically marketed across the capital.'"
Pre 2000 available here:
www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seaso ... mmary.html
www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seaso ... mmary.html
As an example - 2,153 to watch Salford at the Stoop in 1999.
2,014 to watch Hudds in 1998.
Granted, the team weren't flying high as now, but as you say, Offiah and Edwards and Branson, Wembley in 1999.....but still plenty of better things to do in London. London folk are fickle...
Go here for 2000-2008
www.slstats.org/t12/London%20Bro ... mmary.html
www.slstats.org/t12/Harlequins%2 ... mmary.html
Some shockers all over the place - a 2040 in 2000; a 2198 in 2004, 1800 in 2001.
Btw - have a look at this and compare to a) Quins and b) where they're at now. And this is where the game was invented! Perhaps they're now being well and consistently run and winning games...?
www.slstats.org/t7/Huddersfield% ... mmary.html
Don't get me wrong, attendances so far this season have been terrible, but there was nobody leading the club in pre-season and it's undoubtedly affecting the club now, they're having to play catch up.
I'd give current incumbents a bit of a break - Celtic was always going to be a shocker, they brought about 50 people and I saw nothing of London Welsh (Wales were on TV at 7pm, so I suspect their clubhouse was rammed for that and people chose to watch the Lions there too). Add into the mix - Lions at 2pm, England football at 4pm, England RU v Arg at 4pm and you have a scheduling debacle. I asked 10 mates to come along and they all wanted to go to the pub to watch an afternoon of sport.
South London Storm played West London Sharks at Grasshoppers down the road at 2:30 and couldn't make it (generally both sides turn out a tidy bunch of fans) and Elmbridge (Kingston) and Hainault all had fixtures too. Bummer eh.
There hasn't been time for the incentives currently being worked on to impact - see what happens with the Leeds and Saints fixtures, seems from the programme that they're being targeted.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Wakefield Trinity Wildcats
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Seems only you see it as a problem, whereas in reality it isn't.
Would you suggest they change their names to Wakey and Man Utd?'"
They each get called Wakefield, Trinity, the Wildcats, United, Man Utd, Man U in the press and by the public. Which is fine because everyone knows who they're on about when they use those terms.
Say Quins to most people and they'll think of the Union team. Show them a quartered shirt and they'll think of the Union team. I can tell you from personal experience that there are interested schoolkids in London that think the Broncos just went bust and don't or didn't understand that not every Quins player in a quartered jersey is a RU player.
You can tell you've got a problem when a journalist of the quality of Clare Balding fumbles and calls the club 'London Harlequins'. I know plenty on here are opposed to the Quins link-up but I believe it can work. But the club's identity can't be totally subsumed. They need some sort of handy title to mark them out. Like Trinity or United as you helpfully provided. 
Quins 13. Quins Pride. Quins Something. Quins Anything. The club obviously agrees because they started off with Quins RL only to drop it because people didn't know what RL was. But they have to realise that 'Rugby League' is too long and too generic to be used as a suffix widely. |
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Say Quins to most people and they'll think of the Union team. Show them a quartered shirt and they'll think of the Union team. I can tell you from personal experience that there are interested schoolkids in London that think the Broncos just went bust and don't or didn't understand that not every Quins player in a quartered jersey is a RU player.
You can tell you've got a problem when a journalist of the quality of Clare Balding fumbles and calls the club 'London Harlequins'. I know plenty on here are opposed to the Quins link-up but I believe it can work. But the club's identity can't be totally subsumed. They need some sort of handy title to mark them out. Like Trinity or United as you helpfully provided.
Quins 13. Quins Pride. Quins Something. Quins Anything. The club obviously agrees because they started off with Quins RL only to drop it because people didn't know what RL was. But they have to realise that 'Rugby League' is too long and too generic to be used as a suffix widely.'"
rule 1. Dave Lister is always right
rule 2. Dave Lister is ALWAYS right
rule 3. if you are not Dave Lister then you're wrong
personally i think you're right but im not Dave Lister so im wrong and neither are you so you're wrong.
Any one got a crane for my chip ?
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| Quote ="Wire_Yed_79"rule 1. Dave Lister is always right
rule 2. Dave Lister is ALWAYS right
rule 3. if you are not Dave Lister then you're wrong
personally i think you're right but im not Dave Lister so im wrong and neither are you so you're wrong.
Any one got a crane for my chip ?
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Bronco"careful, you'll end up on his followers list'"
He makes this place so entertaining, i actually enjoy his comments.
Dave if you ever think im being antagonistic im sorry, i read your comments and i smile  |
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