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| Plus someone at the Broncos needs to put their foot down regards the cap and stick some sort of London Weighting that wasn't included in the cap.
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| Quote Horatio Yed="Horatio Yed"Plus someone at the Broncos needs to put their foot down regards the cap and stick some sort of London Weighting that wasn't included in the cap.'"

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| I suppose next year is a very big if. But if we do get another year then i have a lot of t time for what Mark says, the points i would stress/add are:
1. Keep Bailey if at all possible, one of the few players to come out with any credit this year
2. Personally i would give Dorn another year because he still scores tries and we have little else to offer
3. Use the £600k as sensibly as possible - yes one year contracts but with options for extensions
4. Please get some decent props and centres
5. get a new fitness coach
i sympathise with those who have had enough of us up North (i am from there), but i think we desrve one last chance, and a miracle wembley experience - our semi-final opponents (i know we have to beat Sheffield) succumb to food poisoning and can only field their under 16 team................................................
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| London Broncos have exactly the same overseas allowance as teams like Wigan, Hull and Leeds.
Crusaders had pretty much unlimited overseas players.
Catalans are allowed to play as many as they want, though choose to have half a team of French.
Gateshead Thunder had unlimited overseas players.
How are we a Heartlands club? We should be the same as Catalans.
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| Quote markrammond="markrammond"London Broncos have exactly the same overseas allowance as teams like Wigan, Hull and Leeds.
Crusaders had pretty much unlimited overseas players.
Catalans are allowed to play as many as they want, though choose to have half a team of French.
Gateshead Thunder had unlimited overseas players.
How are we a Heartlands club? We should be the same as Catalans.'"
I agree.
However without a substantial London weighting we are never going to attract players as good as the Northern clubs - who themselves are struggling to bring any decent players over now because of the bigger income in oz now and the stronger $aus.
If all we can get is young aus players who are just young reservist on small money we will continue so ship tries as we are now with these young London players who cant defend because their bodies arent fully developed yet.
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| I'm not against a London weighting of the SC but raising the salary cap wouldn't mean that there was more money to pay players. The club survives on the smallest crowds, by far, in the league and its investor is (reportedly) looking to scale back his investment. Where does the money come from?
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| Quote markrammond="markrammond"London Broncos have exactly the same overseas allowance as teams like Wigan, Hull and Leeds.
Crusaders had pretty much unlimited overseas players.
Catalans are allowed to play as many as they want, though choose to have half a team of French.
Gateshead Thunder had unlimited overseas players.
How are we a Heartlands club? We should be the same as Catalans.'"
I don't think it fair to compare London (30+ years in existence) to new clubs. You aren't heartlands but you aren't a new club either.
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| The argument might have some credibility if we spent the existing cap wisely and got the best out of the players we have.
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| Quote Hedgehog King="Hedgehog King"I don't think it fair to compare London (30+ years in existence) to new clubs. You aren't heartlands but you aren't a new club either.'"
Easy to say we've been around for thirty years but its only since Super League that any structure to player development of local players has started to take place. Even then we spent most of the first 10 years as many people liked to point out as an Aussie outpost. Really development work only really started to become apparent from 2006 onwards. In addition the club started before the Conference was created which ensured amateur teams had a junior network. Crusaders and Gateshead started after that so there was already some concerted amateur work going on in those areas. So yes as a comparison we should still be classed as a new club. Should we have unlimited overseas imports - probably not but a little extra might enable us to bring the younger players into a more positive winning environment.
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| XIII Catalan were founded in 1935 and have a good catchment area for players with the French National competition having many clubs around them and the ability to only pick players through want rather than to fulfill the rules.
We have no choice but to persist with players who come through the system but the likes of St Helens and Wigan are now cherry picking leaving us with the dross who we must play anyway. I'm not aware of a good young player being snared from Catalans?
Although the Crusaders were newer, they were based in Wrexham only around 30 miles from the likes of Widnes, Warrington, St Helens, Wigan, Salford and the many Championship Northern clubs. They needed help in Bridgend because they were geographically isolated like us and Gateshaed.
The nearest Super League club to London Broncos is 187 miles away in Wakefield, which is a four hour round trip via rail and which would cost £125 a day if someone was prepared to make this trip daily.
There are no Championship clubs in the south either.
We are geographically isolated from the rest with no accessible player pool.
Our only realistic chance of signing good proven players is to be allowed to tap the non international Australian market as we used to be and/or extending the salary cap with a London weighting.
We could then have a similar ruling to Catalans.
But the trolls from the North would rather we fold I think than have any reasonable concessions.
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| Quote Southern Reiver="Southern Reiver"Easy to say we've been around for thirty years but its only since Super League that any structure to player development of local players has started to take place. Even then we spent most of the first 10 years as many people liked to point out as an Aussie outpost. Really development work only really started to become apparent from 2006 onwards. In addition the club started before the Conference was created which ensured amateur teams had a junior network. Crusaders and Gateshead started after that so there was already some concerted amateur work going on in those areas. So yes as a comparison we should still be classed as a new club. Should we have unlimited overseas imports - probably not but a little extra might enable us to bring the younger players into a more positive winning environment.'"
I agree with much of what you say but I'll quibble about development work. There was more development work in London when Broncos started up than in Gateshead when they began. The RLC hadn't started but there was a London League; for Gateshead there was basically nothing.
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| Quote markrammond="markrammond"XIII Catalan were founded in 1935 and have a good catchment area for players with the French National competition having many clubs around them and the ability to only pick players through want rather than to fulfill the rules.
We have no choice but to persist with players who come through the system but the likes of St Helens and Wigan are now cherry picking leaving us with the dross who we must play anyway. I'm not aware of a good young player being snared from Catalans?
Although the Crusaders were newer, they were based in Wrexham only around 30 miles from the likes of Widnes, Warrington, St Helens, Wigan, Salford and the many Championship Northern clubs. They needed help in Bridgend because they were geographically isolated like us and Gateshaed.
The nearest Super League club to London Broncos is 187 miles away in Wakefield, which is a four hour round trip via rail and which would cost £125 a day if someone was prepared to make this trip daily.
There are no Championship clubs in the south either.
We are geographically isolated from the rest with no accessible player pool.
Our only realistic chance of signing good proven players is to be allowed to tap the non international Australian market as we used to be and/or extending the salary cap with a London weighting.
We could then have a similar ruling to Catalans.
But the trolls from the North would rather we fold I think than have any reasonable concessions.'"
My first reply disappeared into the ether so this one will be short.
Clearly London are not a heartlands side and yes you've been in a difficult situation most of your existence. But I think rules have to be considered on a merit basis rather than "If Catalans / Crusaders / Gateshead had this right then we should have it too".
There are no championship clubs on your doorstep but there are three in championship 1. There are lots of good youngsters in the area but the club don't have the finances to keep them. I agree that London is a special case with respect to the salary cap but I don't think an extension would help you keep those players - the club has rarely been able to spend the full salary cap.
I think the days when semi-decent Australasian players would come over here are over. With or without an extension, you won't be able to recruit origin players but tbf I don't think the northern clubs can either.
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