It's amazing, fans get rewarded for their own ignorance. Incredible.

Are these the same fans that I am constantly told have no control over things at the club? I suspect the bumper crowd expected for the 30yr celebration event won't trouble the seat allocators too much.
Average gate for the visit of Leeds since we returned to TW2 is 4,272...skolars get 300 odd, so let's hope the wider community show up for the day. I see the Storm are playing on the Sunday...is it the same with the other clubs? If so, let's hope they all roll up on the day.

Quote ="Surreyben"But who exactly is responsible for "messing this up"?'" The fixtures were released on 18 November last year, with this match listed as a 3pm kick off. Checking the news archive on our club's website I found the announcement of the double header with revised kick off time was made on 15 December: www.league.quins.co.uk/news/10919.php I'm not sure what the procedure is when such changes are made, i.e. who has to inform whom (do Quins tell Leeds directly, or is that down to the RFL/SL) or whether the away club has any right of veto, but surely the RFL must have been told about the whole event as presumably they would have to sanction the change of venue for the Skolars v York game? Therefore it looks like they stuffed up if it was listed as 3pm on their website until recently. The England v France fixture definitely wasn't arranged until after the double header was announced.

Quote ="Surreyben"But who exactly is responsible for "messing this up"?'" The fixtures were released on 18 November last year, with this match listed as a 3pm kick off. Checking the news archive on our club's website I found the announcement of the double header with revised kick off time was made on 15 December: www.league.quins.co.uk/news/10919.php I'm not sure what the procedure is when such changes are made, i.e. who has to inform whom (do Quins tell Leeds directly, or is that down to the RFL/SL) or whether the away club has any right of veto, but surely the RFL must have been told about the whole event as presumably they would have to sanction the change of venue for the Skolars v York game? Therefore it looks like they stuffed up if it was listed as 3pm on their website until recently. The England v France fixture definitely wasn't arranged until after the double header was announced.

Arranged or announced?

Bet you only have one fixture in September as well

Fair comment!

Point taken. Frankly I've no idea who gets told in advance, or how long in advance, about such matters before they're publicly announced.

Wow, new itinerary for the leeds trip down,

8am Depart HQ.
1pm Park Lane London
3pm depart for Stoop
4pm Arrive at Stoop
5pm KO
7pm England v USA Kings Bar at the Stadium
9ish Depart
1am ish arrive back in Leeds

What a day out!!! Glad I persevered with making Quinns away a priority.

Also understand the imporatance of the fixture if RP attends and will share respect accordingly.

Quote ="Prince of Denmark"The fixtures were released on 18 November last year, with this match listed as a 3pm kick off. Checking the news archive on our club's website I found the announcement of the double header with revised kick off time was made on 15 December: www.league.quins.co.uk/news/10919.php I'm not sure what the procedure is when such changes are made, i.e. who has to inform whom (do Quins tell Leeds directly, or is that down to the RFL/SL) or whether the away club has any right of veto, but surely the RFL must have been told about the whole event as presumably they would have to sanction the change of venue for the Skolars v York game? Therefore it looks like they stuffed up if it was listed as 3pm on their website until recently. The England v France fixture definitely wasn't arranged until after the double header was announced.'" As far as I understand with the operational rules, regardless of press releases, internet announcements etc. London have to inform both the RFL and Leeds of the change in writing. From what has been posted on the Leeds boards from as far as Leeds are concerned, they didn't 'officially' know (and thus change their websites / inform their fans etc.) until the match tickets arrived for sale a couple of weeks ago, hence the kerfuffle about it. After all, do you pop on to the Leeds website in the middle of winter / off-season to check any potential fixture changes for a game six months later ?

Quote ="Prince of Denmark"The fixtures were released on 18 November last year, with this match listed as a 3pm kick off. Checking the news archive on our club's website I found the announcement of the double header with revised kick off time was made on 15 December: www.league.quins.co.uk/news/10919.php I'm not sure what the procedure is when such changes are made, i.e. who has to inform whom (do Quins tell Leeds directly, or is that down to the RFL/SL) or whether the away club has any right of veto, but surely the RFL must have been told about the whole event as presumably they would have to sanction the change of venue for the Skolars v York game? Therefore it looks like they stuffed up if it was listed as 3pm on their website until recently. The England v France fixture definitely wasn't arranged until after the double header was announced.'" As far as I understand with the operational rules, regardless of press releases, internet announcements etc. London have to inform both the RFL and Leeds of the change in writing. From what has been posted on the Leeds boards from as far as Leeds are concerned, they didn't 'officially' know (and thus change their websites / inform their fans etc.) until the match tickets arrived for sale a couple of weeks ago, hence the kerfuffle about it. After all, do you pop on to the Leeds website in the middle of winter / off-season to check any potential fixture changes for a game six months later ?

No, but I would certainly be aware of the possibility of such fixtures being "Sky-jacked", and Sky only announced their televised fixtures for this round within the last month or so. I've already made arrangements to visit Huddersfield and Castleford in the full knowledge that kick off times and match dates are subject to alteration.

I would like to add my own two penn'orth to the convo about the kickoff time change if i may.My perspective being as a visiting RHINOS fan.

There are a number of sources fans use to find match info.Match programmes,own club website,RFL website,league express(for me) when the whole fixture list is announced.away club website.
When initially announced we also hear the first approx 12 weeks(?) of fixtures which SKY will cover.That announcement also coveys the info that SKY then have a rolling approx 1 month's advance warning of match selection for balance of season.
Thus in this case it would be reasonable to expect that prior to MAY that the first FOUR sources all have a certain schedule published that is accurate info and that i can react using that.Being aware that for example SKY could select it and i need to keep aware of that option.
HOWEVER and i have in my email intray direct correspondence from LEEDS RHINOS which clearly states that until MAY 11th they were NOT aware that the kickoff time had changed.This only came to light when the tickets arrived for sale to fans.
The letter bluntly states that by rule a change of schedule by a home club has to be directed via the RFL and sanctioned to the visiting club.NO SUCH request was received.THUS the cockup is between QUINSRL office/RFL.
In my case being a cynic who expects cockups i always use the away club website and was aware very early on of the day's timetable,based upon a DEC2009 press release.
Consequently i was staggered to be told by people the primary sources of info werent updated.
I doubt anyone will publicly hold their hand up to a cockup.But as i conveyed to many--if any club would be expected to get it right after what happened with your fixture change away to Catalans then QUINS is a club i would have expected to do it right.
Will it stop me coming down for the umpteenth time.....NOPE...does it affect my opinion of Quins(presumabley responsible) organisation....as you guys are also critical of much,i think you can guess my answer.
Its always a must do fixture.

You are a clown then who obviously can't bare to slate your beloved Rhinos. They sent you an e-mail on May 11 saying they weren't aware of a kick off change? I find it utterly staggering that you fail to realise that the only balls up here is by Leeds and a vast number of their supporters. I know people coming down from Leeds who knew about this weeks ago - my family are Leeds suppporters living in Kent and they also somehow managed to stumble across this information, yet you are saying that probably the most professional organization in the land didn't realise? Embarrassing. Go and meet up with Admiral Hanson and cry into your beer.

Thanks for that Speccy-see you all Sat for a beer and 2 points!

LISTER
old bean..when ALL other sites except yours arent up to speed who do you really think is out of step u numpty.
PLUS try reading the longer words i have used which clarify little things called RULES.
Hard concept for you ya fool?but in keeping with standard.

and as a so called MOD-erator,an (in)perfect ambassador for all things QUINS RL...in your approach

What are you rattling on about? Why is it our clubs fault if other sites and media sources can't be bothered to keep up with the fixture changes? For such a secretive fixture change, it is amazing how this secret got out to so many supporters from Leeds weeks ago - and then there are supporters like you, little lapdogs for the club, refusing to admit that this is clearly their fault - if the club were LYING to me like they are in sending you such vicious e-mails, I'd be pretty annoyed with them rather than passing the blame. No RULES have been broken.

Well I do not MODERATE this forum for starters; you are an (in)perfect ambassador for all things Leeds Rhinos because the vast majority of Leeds supporters that I have come across have been knowledgeable and reasonable.

Crikey! Dont tel G1, he prides himself you know......

So beers in the bar after the game for the England / USA game chaps? I think we'll stick around after for a few sherbets if we can get a good vantage point.

Let's all lighten up. This was an original post about a good day out. I persevered with my booking for Quinns as I always do, knowing that anything can happen to kick off times and that it will undoubtedly involve coaches leaving at 8am and returning somewhat later. I persevere because, "It's a must fixture." Looking forward to a vital game and then a bit of community support for footy in the bar afterwards. With all the moaning that has gone on here can anybody tell me anywhere else where there will be fans of opposing clubs, with the majority sporting club colours, watching a footy match in the same bar? What a rare occasion to share one of the greatest attributes of our sport - "Respect for each other." Enjoy - I'm setting off with that intention!

Mate, I couldn't have agreed more. The whole thing has been another almighty cock-up, of the kind that Quins RL's office is famous for - although to be fair to them, we have no proof of who is to blame for this.

Leeds Rhinos 19:

1 Brent Webb
2 Scott Donald
3 Brett Delaney
4 Keith Senior
8 Kylie Leuluai
9 Danny Buderus
11 Jamie Jones-Buchanan
14 Matt Diskin
15 Greg Eastwood
16 Ryan Bailey
17 Ian Kirke
18 Carl Ablett
20 Jay Pitts
21 Kyle Amor
24 Luke Ambler
25 Paul McShane
26 Tom Bush
27 Chris Clarkson
28 Lee Smith

Looking at that 19 man squad, you still cant help think its going to a very hard day at the office for Quins.


Leeds maybe missing four of their top players but their forward line is still big and strong.
And wth the weather looking as if its going to be dry and sunny(just how Leeds like it) i think we going to have to make sure our defence is tight out of the wings. As i have a feeling that Jamie OC going to have a busy day out there for us.

Our players wilt whenever the sun shines too. Leeds by 24.