Oh, but you do. This thread's struck a chord with you. We can tell by your responses.

I saw on facebook a 20 point plan. I presume it was you?

I didn't know this bloke in Aylesbury existed until he started on me Michael. If you want to have a pop at someone, try him or any of the other "watchers" who piped up with their collective 100 posts between them



Come on.....what positives do you want to discuss? There must be some? And I say again, having a team and somewhere to play isn't a positive....it's a bare minimum requirement.

Have to say, whomever is the moderator on facebook has a sense of humour....

???????? This really, really has touched a nerve.


That's what you perceived someone asking you to do something as. That they started on you?

[iTo be honest your constant criticism is putting me off- please lay off it is boring what you constantly carp on about.[/i

read back you told some one how long it would take them to get to Twickenham and Harrow, using google to do so.



then maybe you shouldnt have tried to use it as a way to prove a point



It clearly does as you feel the need to respond



You think putting LOL on the end of your posts make you funny how sad. I believe you were telling our friend how little difference there was between the 2 journeys, I call that advice, you can call it what you like.



That's a bad example to use to a Barnet fan, our post code is EN5 which is Enfield, a team that we have a rivalry with going back 100 years. The post codes don't even correspond to the local authority areas, they are based on where the sorting office is.

Why don't you use google to see how close Harrow is to Edgware? If you did you would realise how wrong you are, I wasn't spliting hairs, the london borough of Harrow and the London borough of Barnet are large areas and the Hive is only 400 yards over the border from the london borough of barnet but actually 6 miles from Barnet itself. It is also a 15 minute drive from Harrow, going through Kingsbury and Kenton to get there.




Do you know what, 2 weeks ago I was handing out leaflets for Barnet and next weekend I will be again. I have no problem with helping the Hive promote my team. Supporters getting involved in promoting their club, now that's a novel idea. I can guarantee the Hive got far more out of their contact with fans than some leaflets, maybe if the previous marketing team had taken time to talk to fans to work out the best way of promoting the team they may have made better use of the money.

This is an internet forum and as such, you will get differing points of views....the OP wasn't asking me to do anything. They felt that strongly they wanted to maximise their desire to express their displeasure at my style of posting and my stance on the club that they started a thread. That's not "asking me to do something"....that's starting on me!

Also, their request for me to lay off is based on them being "put off"???? If the musings of an internet forum poster are sufficient to "put someone off" then I suggest the precious should grow a set or off to watch something else.

Touched a nerve? Not a jot of it. If I hadn't responded, would that have been me told?

The constant unfounded attempts to promote positivity about the club are far more tiresome than any number of my posts IMHO, but I don't feel the need to start threads asking the lemmings to stop posting

you claimed I had tried to give advice.....I hadn't. As uncomfortable as that may make you, it is a fact. Here's my entire post again......observational as opposed to giving advice.

condescending much?
I'd suggest that there are fans on here, present company included, who have done a damn site more than hand out leaflets in support of this club. The fact that the club deemed this help unnecessary would point towards the lack of a stampede to offer assistance now!

We know the man from the long white cloud is repetitive and tiresome BUT some of us believe he has perfectly valid points mostly backed up with facts.

The more you respond the more he will come back at you and the more repetitive and tiresome he will become in your eyes. The proof of the pudding will be what happens for 70 minutes each weekend. Personally I am not hopeful but then I get slagged of for being negative.

Have to say that all this enthusiasm on Facebook for helping the club and doing leaflet drops every where causes me a wry smile. The will to do that has always been there, it is simply that certain people (or should that be a certain person) chose to ignore it and it seems to have taken another move and possibly a new face or helper to reignite it.

[iplease lay off [/i Is asking you to do something. It's not starting on you.

This thread has touched a nerve as much as you pretend it hasn't. It's an attack on you as far as you're concerned when it isn't. How dare they!!!

Fair call PP. And people are not blind to people's frustrations, include yours about the actions and performances on and off the field. This has made some fans and IMHO bitter towards the club. To the point where some can only say negative things, because it's got that far for them!!! Others on here see it almost phoenix like and have hope that with all the crap that's happened we have a team to follow backing it with positivity in a very, very tough year ahead. No-one is under any misapprehension that we will lose games with a squad scrambled together at the last minute when we found out we were in.

This club has always had the backing of fans willing to give up their time and help out. Only for it to be rebuked. That was harsh and ultimately at the stoop, could have been to a degree, costly. Those fans will also be peeved that their help is being asked for now as a cure when their help could potentially have been used for prevention.

In the context of a friendly request, it would be asking me to do something....in the context of a brand new thread designed to attract flies like does, it was an attack. You've been around enough internet forums to know the difference....


It was an attack on me RB.......re-read the thread title and the assessment of my style and content of posting in the opinion of it's author. Surely you aren't that naïve are you?

You seem to think that this is the first time a poster or posters have got together to vent their collective spleens towards me

It is a nice distraction from the humdrum of people thinking this brave new world will deliver the stability and security the club needs, but it is nothing more than that. I will respond to an attack, are will reply to a differing opinion but unlike these wipes, I would never be so arrogant to attack their styles of posting and demand they cease posting......I leave that to those who suffer from bouts of uncontrollable insecurity.

BTW, I see the rumour mill at Odsal has Bradford offering a contract to a prop we recently "missed out on".....have you heard anything about this?

Call it what you like. It makes no odds to me. My issue is that by entering incorrect points of reference into google your timings were out by 25% in addition to the points I have already made.

If it bothers you whether it's called observation or advice then I will retract the statement and you can stick your observation where the sun don't shine. Does that make you feel better about it?

My go.

The fact you see it as an attack on you proves that it's struck a nerve.

Were did I belittle the work that supporters have done before, I'm sure lots of Bronco fans have put plenty of effort in and it's great that they have. I see no relation to what has happened between fans and the Broncos previously and the communication currently happening between Bronco fans and the Hive.

Why don't the club just dip all our balls in honey and stake us to an anthill!!!

Your sounding pretty insecure to me mate!

This is all pretty infantile. Time this thread was locked surely?

No...of course. All the volunteers who were told they weren't needed and were generally treated quite badly will be delighted that they have now been asked back



you got me. I can't survive without all the attention I get on here. This thread being one designed purely for me is actually getting me quite aroused....

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Not THAT aroused though

Given this thread is now the 3rd most popular on this forum, I think it proves that certain fans would rather tar and feather me than discuss the real issues at the club for 2014.
Not long now until we can discuss the game and the home attendance figures, both of which have a massive say in the future of London Broncos in 2014 and beyond. I wonder what the more uncertain of them will find to discuss if that proves to unpalatable for them?

Agreed. Just in case you have missed the full 6 pages then OP asked Gutters to tone down his negitive posts, Gutters said no this is a internet forum I can say what I want, someone else agreed with the OP that was a moaner and he is brining the mood down, gutters reponded, and repeat this 20 times.

Essentially what started off life as a moan and has since decended into name calling and general childish stuff. This thread has now reached the end of it's natural life and as such should be put out of it's misery. I have a gun but no bullets!

Would a mod please lock it?

Spoilsport

A new fan to the sport makes a very valid point about Gutterfax's constant negativity & criiticism and his response is to continue in the same vein.
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"Hey, theres a perfectly good ignore function on these forums, so instead of whining like a little bitch, I suggest you use that....." End quote.
There is so much more positive stuff going on which GF ignores Scott Moores appearance on Skysports sporting a must have blue club polo.
" He started on me Michael" The bully's defence.
A bit of insecurity paranoia going on here? Get some help.
Great way to encourage new supporters!
Long distance supporters are great, but building up regular supporters who don't have to travel hundreds of miles to get to the Hive (locals) is vital.
I appreciate you've got issues with London's recent history but turning away and rounding on new fans is
as bad as the issues which have embittered you.

Ah...the more the merrier.
The OP makes no valid point.....all it was, as a whine!

Yes, I freely admit to having a downer on the administration and management of the club both past and present and will accept that my negative tone can be quite draining, but I refuse to be shouted down by a bunch of lemmings. It is not my job to encourage "supposed" new supporters, that is the remit of the Club (and apparently, the Owner of the Hive who is in receipt of a marketing budget from the RFL). You are quite correct...we did have a player sporting a club polo shirt on SKY TV......but the sheer fact that you grasp to this like some sort of lifejacket of positivity shows exactly how far we have fallen in our expectations. We are 1/14th or 7% of the comp and I'd be flipping livid if we didn't have players on TV. As for the "must have" polo-shirt....it's not even in the clubs colours. The same colours we went to the effort of changing to some 24 months ago....but hey, at least it's got a club badge on it so it is all good and no doubt will fly of the shelves once we have it in stock.
Seriously, Scott Moore on SKY is brilliant, but in the greater scheme of things, him being on TV will add not one to a seat on the 22nd. The way that will be done is through hard work and spending money wisely.....and no, canvasing 2 dozen fans on facebook for ideas doesn't count!

As for me "turning away" new fans. The OP may claim to be a new fan, but their opinion of my style and content of posting would point to them not being a first time visitor to these parts. I will say this though, they have themselves a humdinger of a thread here...well done them!

IIRC correctly, there are 16 other threads on this landing page people could contribute to. Regarding podcasts, games at Hemel, Oxford RL etc....yet this one has shot up the popularity list like a rocket....strange that

Do you really feel as a Bronco fan that you shouldn't bother to encourage others to go to a match or become supporters?
Seems a sad position to take.
The 'supposed' fan bit? How do they become genuine fans?
Smacks a bit of superiority to me. I would have thought you would want Broncos to have a future by growing it's fan base.
Just because The Hive have a budget for marketing does not prevent fans from encouraging more support. The club is only there because the fans want it so it is in the fans interest to encourage as many along as possible to improve the atmosphere for themselves and possibly improve the fortunes on the pitch.

As someone whose own support is split with 25% refusing to go to a game at the Hive because it's outside Barnet I appreciate every fan who makes an effort to turn up and make a bit of noise. I doubt anybody has enough money to get those people to change their principles. That you have chosen to use the fact that crowds are down due to this and our relegation to use it to bash the Hive is a sad thing for me and I'm not sure it's benefiting your argument choosing to attack the Hive and TK whilst they are still clearly working hard but still finding their feet. I think a fair number appreciate that they are genuine, honest and making the effort that by the sounds of thing wasn't really there before.

As for the OP, I suspect they read the forum a bit before joining. It's what I did. Who knows this thread may have scared them off and it's their only post .

The reason I think this thread is so long is the concern that someone new is being advised to block one of the best source of information on this forum because they told you that you are being over critical. A fact that you appear to agree with to some extent. Certainly you have a knack of taking every snippet of information and turning it into a negative when us lemmings have a more positive view of it.

I guess if you are correct and Broncos is finished (I know you never said it) then I guess Lemmings is a good analogy for us blindly going to watch them.

For me, I look back 3 months and can't believe Broncos is still an entity for you to criticise. That there is a game this weekend for the Broncos and that all the things you say about the negatives are true but are still on the table and are beginning to be resolved one by one shows that there is a reason to believe Broncos may have a future. No one knows what that future will be but at least it's one that allows fans to go and see their team play.

These are not positives or negatives, just the facts as I see them today.

Whilst you wont admit it, I sense you are waiting for the current vein of positivity to fail so you can say I told you so, my own view is the more people that get behind it the more chance it has of succeeding.

yes I know you will strip this post apart and hyperanalyse it to tell me the finances are screwed, we're all delusional and I'm chosing to ignore the issues but I do genuinely think that Broncos could still be around in two years time and could even be viable as a championship level side with backing behind it to move back to the top table. If anything I guess it's best viewed as the lowest they can go and the only way is up.

As I said in an earlier post the key thing now is to get those tickets available online rather than just by phone and in person, maybe then there will be a reasonable crowd in 2 weeks time.

No. But given I have never said that and brought in excess of 100 fans to their first RL game since 2002, you are again painting a picture of me that is inaccurate. Why is that?

It would be if I was actually taking it




Supposed as in they have patently visited these boards before to get a feeling for my "constant" style of negativity, they have been to games dating back to 2012 but have only just decided to pop in to say hello here. They could be UBER fans for all I care......they post a negative thread about me and some idiots think they must have a valid point


Nah...it's experience of being on these and other forums....I am suspicious of anyone who immediately appears to have a popular opinion in their first few posts.....

ASK AROUND........I doubt there is a London fan who wants that more than me!





We have been there.....we have done that and believe me, I have a grands worth of T-shirts to prove it in my wardrobe. The point isn't about "bringing a mate"...it's more about the club shutting the up about brining a mate and actually marketing the game.


The Hive holds 5k and averages 1,500 for soccer....I don't give a about Barnet FC as they are also simply a means to an end for the owner.


Good.....I hope they stay away from this forum, but if my opinion as to the carnage that is the Management is putting them off attending games than I stand by my earlier statement, they need to harden the hell up!


See my comments about the MUST HAVE POLO SHIRTS



...no, not for watching them or attending games or spending money in the shop/bar......but for doing it with A SMILE ON YOUR FACES!




we are 1000/1 to win SL, Wakey are 500/1.........WE ARE ON BORROWED TIME.


they are depressing facts



I have had hundreds of opportunities to say that and I never have......that's not why I do what I do. Your failure to see that is down to you not understanding the warnings about this happening that not just me, but many others have presented to the club....none of us are happy about it and I will be more gutted than most when/if it all turns to custard.




I don't disagree with you or what you say, but it doesn't mean I have to be Ronald mac ing donnald and smile all the time and welcome the new old regime with open arms.

Listen to the Pubcast (see thread on here).....people believe we will go down and they are just thrilled we have a club.....I get it, but I don't welcome it, given we could have been so much stronger if they had learnt from their mistakes earlier.

In other words it's not up to me and I'll leave it to the people who get money to do it. Especially in context of this thread.

I read that to say you have no interest in encouraging new supporters yourself. I'm not talking about how many you've bought in the past as they won't help now.




Maybe a more positive outlook would help?



They appear to have no prior knowledge or care of the management so why would it be putting them off now?



No it's about everyone with a vested interest working to achieve the same aim. We both know that fans helping market the Broncos frees up more funds to be spent elsewhere. It's not wasted by communicating with them on Facebook as you put it.



Ok I get it. I can go as long as I don't enjoy it. got ya!



Yep, 99% sure to be in the championship next season, absolutely zero pressure on the players or from the fans. As you like to say, been there, done that and enjoyed it because I wasn't going to games worrying about the result.



Too late for might have been. The club is being assimilated into the Hive as we speak, like it or not all will have to live with it. Going on about the past and criticising the current for what happened before wont solve it my friend. Unfortunately we have no control over who pulls the strings although it would be nice to think that the supporters trust could get off the ground and have more of a say.