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| Quote: Dan Stains woz God "Not really had any luck so far, though Mark.
(actually, what's happened to Mick Nanyn? Anyone know?)'"
Got injured in a pre season game 18 months ago after he went to Halifax from Leigh. He played for Fax under 20's last week and kicked 5. Hope he makes it back. Great kicker and would be a better centre than some we have now.
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| Ah, that's good to hear (that he's playing again, I mean).
Always one of me favourites...sad he didn't make it down here.
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| Hiya mate, it is true we have not been good at acquiring players but it is all about recognising who is really good before it is common knowledge and clubs move to secure them. We have to get better at this. We got rid of Phil Bailey so Rea is on his own. He has discovered players in the past and he is intelligent so I think he will do well again.
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| I admire some of the optimism here. But for someone like GeorgeWilliams, brought up in the very professional hyper competitive Wigan youth programme, I can't see what would impress him about the Broncos set up. Just looking at some of the fat lazy slobs employed by London would put anyone off, never mind the Fred Karno set up of the club.
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| Quote: markrammond "Hiya mate, it is true we have not been good at acquiring players but it is all about recognising who is really good before it is common knowledge and clubs move to secure them. We have to get better at this. We got rid of Phil Bailey so Rea is on his own. He has discovered players in the past and he is intelligent so I think he will do well again.'"
You really don't get it do you. Really good players are unlikely to want to join a club who are (i) struggling badly and (ii) can only offer a short term deal. Any players such as those you describe are likely to wait and see what other offers they get.
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| True but there appears that nearly everyone on this forum just assume the club will fold either at the end of this year or at the end of 2014. That may well be the case but we are not privy to discussions the club may have with the RFL or others.
In addition the 'we are crap no one will join us' syndrome appears to have taken over. If we do continue into the future with a decent clear out creating the financial scope in the budget there is an opportunity to change the attitude of the club for the better. Year long loans from NRL (Feliti Mateo any one?) and UK clubs could fill a number of gaps.
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| Plus someone at the Broncos needs to put their foot down regards the cap and stick some sort of London Weighting that wasn't included in the cap.
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| Quote: Horatio Yed "Plus someone at the Broncos needs to put their foot down regards the cap and stick some sort of London Weighting that wasn't included in the cap.'"
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| I suppose next year is a very big if. But if we do get another year then i have a lot of t time for what Mark says, the points i would stress/add are:
1. Keep Bailey if at all possible, one of the few players to come out with any credit this year
2. Personally i would give Dorn another year because he still scores tries and we have little else to offer
3. Use the £600k as sensibly as possible - yes one year contracts but with options for extensions
4. Please get some decent props and centres
5. get a new fitness coach
i sympathise with those who have had enough of us up North (i am from there), but i think we desrve one last chance, and a miracle wembley experience - our semi-final opponents (i know we have to beat Sheffield) succumb to food poisoning and can only field their under 16 team................................................
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| London Broncos have exactly the same overseas allowance as teams like Wigan, Hull and Leeds.
Crusaders had pretty much unlimited overseas players.
Catalans are allowed to play as many as they want, though choose to have half a team of French.
Gateshead Thunder had unlimited overseas players.
How are we a Heartlands club? We should be the same as Catalans.
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| Quote: markrammond "London Broncos have exactly the same overseas allowance as teams like Wigan, Hull and Leeds.
Crusaders had pretty much unlimited overseas players.
Catalans are allowed to play as many as they want, though choose to have half a team of French.
Gateshead Thunder had unlimited overseas players.
How are we a Heartlands club? We should be the same as Catalans.'"
I agree.
However without a substantial London weighting we are never going to attract players as good as the Northern clubs - who themselves are struggling to bring any decent players over now because of the bigger income in oz now and the stronger $aus.
If all we can get is young aus players who are just young reservist on small money we will continue so ship tries as we are now with these young London players who cant defend because their bodies arent fully developed yet.
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| I'm not against a London weighting of the SC but raising the salary cap wouldn't mean that there was more money to pay players. The club survives on the smallest crowds, by far, in the league and its investor is (reportedly) looking to scale back his investment. Where does the money come from?
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| Quote: markrammond "London Broncos have exactly the same overseas allowance as teams like Wigan, Hull and Leeds.
Crusaders had pretty much unlimited overseas players.
Catalans are allowed to play as many as they want, though choose to have half a team of French.
Gateshead Thunder had unlimited overseas players.
How are we a Heartlands club? We should be the same as Catalans.'"
I don't think it fair to compare London (30+ years in existence) to new clubs. You aren't heartlands but you aren't a new club either.
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| The argument might have some credibility if we spent the existing cap wisely and got the best out of the players we have.
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| Quote: Hedgehog King "I don't think it fair to compare London (30+ years in existence) to new clubs. You aren't heartlands but you aren't a new club either.'"
Easy to say we've been around for thirty years but its only since Super League that any structure to player development of local players has started to take place. Even then we spent most of the first 10 years as many people liked to point out as an Aussie outpost. Really development work only really started to become apparent from 2006 onwards. In addition the club started before the Conference was created which ensured amateur teams had a junior network. Crusaders and Gateshead started after that so there was already some concerted amateur work going on in those areas. So yes as a comparison we should still be classed as a new club. Should we have unlimited overseas imports - probably not but a little extra might enable us to bring the younger players into a more positive winning environment.
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