We're not going to get the social scene down just yet.
"hey guys do you want to sit in an empty stadium with no atmosphere, watching a game we dont know and players we've never heard about, at the same time as England are playing on telly.

We need bums on seats and need to get the locals involved.
I dont know if this has legs, but it would generate some coverage (free marketing) but has the club tried to get the other Richmond clubs on board, Richmond, Welsh, Hampton FC etc to offer a borough season ticket that grants you unreserved entry to all games all year?

Good idea plus London Scottish, Rosslyn Park and Ealing for the West London Rugby ticket!

Perhaps the removal of the seats from the South Stand witnessed on Saturday is an attempt to meet the figure ?

some of you are harbingers of doom, no matter how many thousand attend a game at the stoop it is certainly better than not having a team to support. just think, those who attended the game wouldn't have watched a game of rugby league if their was no team in the capital, quins are as vital to our game as saints, leeds, w***n etc etc etc etc.

i agree, the only problem i see was why it took so long to get a London club involved.
Eventually some midland clubs will get involved and link it all up and all these Flatcapper anti expansionist will eventually die out

The net tube station to Brentford (South Ealing) was a lot further away than the station at Twickenham, and it was a less pleasant walk along a busy road with a massive junction to negotiate if walking. On Sundays Brentford train station was served by one train per hour that departed a few minutes after the end of the match, meaning you'd just miss it unless you left early or were an Olympic 800 metres medallist.

Twickenham has trains into London every few minutes on every day (you're unlikely to wait more than ten minutes at any time) and they link up with the Underground network at Richmond. The ground itself is far better and it's easier to get to for many people, and you don't have to worry about waiting another hour or finding an alternative route if you just miss one train.

i think that the "flatcappers" are finally coming round to the idea of a team in the capitol, at least quins are on the up unlike some heartland clubs...

Forgive my poor punctuation on that and i was slighty unclear Twick St to the stoop is not far i wasn't comparing distance of SEailing and Twick St.
More the lack of buses from the busier parts of London to Twickers and the fact that Twickers Station isn't part of the TfL network therefore more expensive to travel.

Why would you want to get a bus from busier parts when the tube to Richmond or train to Twickers is fine?

Oh and Twickers is on the TFL network, you can buy thru routing from any tube staion, travelcards and passes work just fine too.

Quote ="Big Graeme"Why would you want to get a bus from busier parts when the tube to Richmond or train to Twickers is fine? Oh and Twickers is on the TFL network, you can buy thru routing from any tube staion, travelcards and passes work just fine too.'" all trains that serve Twickers are South west trains which are not part of TfL oyster card system therefore not part of TfL [i‘Pay as you go’ cannot generally be used on National Rail services and cannot be used on South West Trains services. After making a 'pay as you go' journey you must 'touch out' and buy a valid ticket before boarding a South West Trains service, otherwise you may be liable to a penalty fare. [/i www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWTrai ... oyster.htm The only reason i mention the transport links are because to some people that is an important budget factor especially for students and antipodean travellers

Quote ="Big Graeme"Why would you want to get a bus from busier parts when the tube to Richmond or train to Twickers is fine? Oh and Twickers is on the TFL network, you can buy thru routing from any tube staion, travelcards and passes work just fine too.'" all trains that serve Twickers are South west trains which are not part of TfL oyster card system therefore not part of TfL [i‘Pay as you go’ cannot generally be used on National Rail services and cannot be used on South West Trains services. After making a 'pay as you go' journey you must 'touch out' and buy a valid ticket before boarding a South West Trains service, otherwise you may be liable to a penalty fare. [/i www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWTrai ... oyster.htm The only reason i mention the transport links are because to some people that is an important budget factor especially for students and antipodean travellers

Quote ="Wire_Yed_79"all trains that serve Twickers are South west trains which are not part of TfL oyster card system therefore not part of TfL [i‘Pay as you go’ cannot generally be used on National Rail services and cannot be used on South West Trains services. After making a 'pay as you go' journey you must 'touch out' and buy a valid ticket before boarding a South West Trains service, otherwise you may be liable to a penalty fare. [/i www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWTrai ... oyster.htm The only reason i mention the transport links are because to some people that is an important budget factor especially for students and antipodean travellers'" The only bit that doesn't work is the Pay As You Go feature, anyone who has a season ticket can use one, failing that you can but a paper travelcard at any tube and train station and a vast amount of other outlets. Most people would save money buying such a ticket. Any public transport in London comes under TFL, just because SWT and TFL can sort out a deal for PAYG doesn't mean they are not.

Quote ="Wire_Yed_79"all trains that serve Twickers are South west trains which are not part of TfL oyster card system therefore not part of TfL [i‘Pay as you go’ cannot generally be used on National Rail services and cannot be used on South West Trains services. After making a 'pay as you go' journey you must 'touch out' and buy a valid ticket before boarding a South West Trains service, otherwise you may be liable to a penalty fare. [/i www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWTrai ... oyster.htm The only reason i mention the transport links are because to some people that is an important budget factor especially for students and antipodean travellers'" The only bit that doesn't work is the Pay As You Go feature, anyone who has a season ticket can use one, failing that you can but a paper travelcard at any tube and train station and a vast amount of other outlets. Most people would save money buying such a ticket. Any public transport in London comes under TFL, just because SWT and TFL can sort out a deal for PAYG doesn't mean they are not.

I'm led to believe that they do - they have a unit that consults and they have masterclass/best practice sessions.

You've hit the nail on the head though - Owners take great pleasure in spending money on hiring players as that's where their interest lies. They don't ordinarily buy clubs as investments.

So - convincing them to spend on marketing is harder. It's ironic that a marketing spend ought to reduce their liabilities - e.g. spend 10k marketing every game, you'd hope to make more than 10k back on the back of it in increased spectators. Over the course of the season, their loss is lowered. Speculate to accumulate.

London Broncos averaged 5000+ in 1996 and 1997, why can't it be done again?

Granted - there was a certain buzz around the start of Super League and Union wasn't fully pro, but it's been done, it can be done again....

not strictly true that's why Boris is working hard to get them on board.
SWT comes under the National Rail Network which is a separate entity to TfL.

TFL oversees SWT's operations serving Greater London stations, their timetables serving these stations are also approved by TFL and they receive a large amount in subsidy via TFL for providing services for unprofitable services.

Wire_Yed_79 in posting sense shocker



It does annoy me that you can't use a pay as you go Oyster on SWT - fortunately when travelling from home I get an all zones travel card included in the return journey from Maidstone to London. But if coming from Sheffield it makes more sense to buy a return to Twickenham from Victoria/Waterloo as the travel cards encompassing zone 5 are a rip off.

trains don't make money anyway that's no big secret.
The Tube network runs at a loss every year believe it or not, TfL makes its money from the Bus network. It's why i never understood the private sector wanting to run the trains.

am i off you vitriol radar now then, or do i have to K-Y-A first

You have avoided the list in my sig....

For now

Those nice subsidies mate.

Which are mostly focussed on Corporate and sponsorship rather than ' bums on seats ' type marketing

But unfortunatley you dont , you need to spend 10 K and you will get back 1 K , so most then stop and say " Its not working "

So what you have to do is spend 10 K every match and then 3/4 years down the line it starts to pay off

But that type of long term thinking doesn't exist in the world of RL

South West Trains pays an annual fee of £119m for its franchise, instead of receiving subsidies, and I doubt they get much of it from rural Dorset. How much are we all paying to subsidise the Northern Rail Cup?

Agree, trouble is short term results are also a major driver for the majority of supporters as noted on most threads on the VT.

The RFL are also guilty of the short term fix , thats why they concentrate on the sponsorship/corporate angle

Getting fans in is hard work , who likes working hard ?

I know our crowds are not very good, buts let’s put it in perspective! There were only 4,721 at Wakefield tonight. Two heartlands clubs only 55 miles apart!

Perhaps it’s not just our club but the product, or the perception of the product on offer!