Here is someone who should not be allowed near a calculator !!

Like pointing out spelling mistakes, being a pedant is another example of a poster having nothing relevant to bring to the debate.


13 home games, 14,500 capacity = 188,500 fans, at £9.85 is £1,856,725.....less the 3,500 average we already have, £448,175 leaves $1,400,000 in extra revenue......so it would reduce the debt to APPX £550k......

Still, no need to worry about attendances.....the Massive Sponsorship deals with WIN ans Lensbury will generate enough revenue on their own



As for me saying that all unallocated seats at £5 and allocated at £10 next year would maybe generate more revenue.....let's just agree to disagree on how well the club have done this year with a viral that nobody say, 5,000 oyster card holders and whatever else they have tried.....

If DH is bankrolloing the club to the tune of £150k a game, surely it's time to start offering free tickets to local residents....starting with the 5,000 homes within 1.5 miles of the ground. Would only cost him the additional stewarding....a small price to pay IMO.

We've done that with the 90 pound season tickets and as you repetitively keep pointing out crowds are going down

15 pound isnt bad a price for entry

It is your flawed assumption I was being a pedant and while I agree that your calculations were (not for the first time) inaccurate my bigger concern is the flawed logic behind them.

You calculated that at an average of £9.85 per ticket even filling the stadium every week would not cover our costs. So I would be concerned that ticket revenue, even in that unlikely scenario, would not be sufficient to avoid an ongoing reliance on David Hughes's generosity. It would suggest we would need to either cut costs in a club seemingly already run on a shoestring or perhaps even increase ticket prices.

However, what you suggest is a solution that would decrease average ticket receipts on the basis that it would increase revenue from things like food and beer. The problem in that argument is that you need to consider what profit would be made. I suggest the margin made on beer and food less than that made on ticket sales (where as you point out the only variable cost is likely to be some increased stewarding).

In my view, in anything other than perhaps the long term, we need to accept that we are reliant on money from the likes of David Hughes and be extremely thankful for it. Clearly increased crowds are essential to a more stable financial footing but I believe growth will only happen on the back of stability and a competitive team. By all means give a few tickets away to encourage locals to try the game out but a business model based on a reduced average ticket income is a nonsense.

My own "soccer" club (Peterborough United) under the 3 and a bit years of new ownership has had two promotions (including 1 season in The Championship) one relegation (back to league 1/Division 3 in old money) and is in to the "owner" for around £8 million, which is considerablely less than that "loaned" by Lennagen (£2m +) and Hughes (£4.5m) and continues to banked rolled by the new owner.

And that is with a record sponsorship deal outside of the premier league and no effective salary cap although one wonders if it really does work in Rugby League at any level, but that's another debate.

Yes it's not heathy to be reliant on a benefactor but in todays professional sports I'm afraid that's what happens.

Don't know if it's been mentioned before, but the club has apparently removed the discount on merchandise to season ticket holders because it can no longer afford the discount. At the last home game against Saints I used mine to buy some stuff for my brother and got discount, but yesterday when I tried to use it against the new 30 year shirt (excellent shirt btw), I was told it's not being honoured anymore. I wasn't the only one who had the same experience.

Now initially I was told they weren't doing discount this season (as did the man in front) and we both pointed out that we'd already used it this season, to which the cashier claimed that was a mistake. But when I spoke to a friend who'd bought his shirt earlier he told me that cashier had told him and others about the recent withdrawal of the discount on cost grounds.

Now I'm not fussed about losing the discount, £3.50 is neither here nor there, and the new shirt is well worth £35, but it does bring home the way the club is being forced to shave costs.

At least it shows someone somewheres thinking about the club as a business for once.

I was also one who went into the shop to get the discount yesterday but it was pointed out that the season ticket discount expired on the 2nd May!! So not just been withdrawn but time expired...Serves me right for not looking at the small print and waiting too long to get a new shirt !!!

All I want is for the club totry something different...they have stumbled along (in the time I have follwed the team) with average gates that are not enough to cover the electric bill and yet they seem bereft of ideas or even the desire to do something about it. I know people have said that we are OK for another licence next time, but it was a major concern to the RFL last time and they felt the need to repeat their fears earlier this year/late last year......

.....4,000 and change for a double header with 6+ months in the planning goes to show how inept the marketing team at Quins are. I am not saying I could do any better....I am not saying anyone could do any better, what I am saying is something has to be done.
2 double headers...........and an average of 2,900 after 9 games....730 down on last year.....let's just hope that builders don't start turning up for work at Salford, Castleford or Wakefield.......




I KNOW THAT DAVID HUGHES BANKROLLS THE CLUB......BUT THE RFL DIDN'T EXPRESS CONCERN ABOUT OUR FINANCES...THEY EXPRESSED CONCERN REGARDING OUR ATTENDANCES....

Exactly. As far as I can see the only boxes we tick at the moment are ground standards and developement - personally I don't think our franchise renewal is as locked in as some people think.

What about 20 miles from other clubs!!!! I think we qualify for that 2 points!

We are certain of another 3 years