See the cowgirls turned up at Gillingham along with buck and dusty to promote the forthcoming hull game

...that'll be the promotional work that was mentioned in the cowgirls blurb at the start of the recruitment process. Now, if they could just use them a little closer to TW2.......

Gutterfax Anyone who has a "personal opinion" can be accused of being assumptive! it is being able to Accept others can have opinions.

Did I ever state that that rich people are s? many of my personal friends are most successful and come from a privileged background but they are also genuine, why people have to use boxes is beyond me for identifying different groups, but sadly that is the way many do perceive those who attend Twickenham and that is not just assumption, I was born in a two up, two down terraced house, but I never let it hold me back.

Again I have always clearly stated that any re-brand and re-launch has to be the Complete Package otherwise it is pointless! I still feel we needed the name change, but the rest of the package re-launch has been so week, I would love to see were the support the RFL are giving has gone.

Quins RU I did expect more and especially when we adopted the name, which I supported as I felt it would bring benefits, but we were still the poor cousins and now the poor tenants, I did feel that their name would have assisted with sponsorship when you look at the major brands they enjoy, but that goes back to the
presumptive Up Market image of Union, not the product at times which can be a bore!

I live in the real world and for 30 odd years have done as much as I can, many players shirts sponsorships, match balls, academy sponsorship and support as well as buying like you merchandise, I also have done as much with my media contacts to promote our club and the game in London, but that is what you do as a loyal supporter!

Well I disagree and it is my personal opinion the west has been tried and the last few years is proof it has failed, sadly now any investment in marketing with the state of the club and on field performances is a Total Waste of Money! to Market you need the right Product and ours is not right. East us flawed is your opinion and I respect it but again I disagree! I feel it is more of an area that we could develop in and a lot of money has been pumped into the amateur game and youth development there, that is my opinion!

I sat on many management boards and we had some strong discussions and most of the time our product was spot on, but I can assure you we walked out of those board rooms as mates and friends and worked together to ensure we always got it right, even if the choice was not always our own, if London is going to Survive and that is the stage we are getting to we need to work together, its no use having different camps, we may not agree all the time but we should on that it will be sad and disappointing if a London Super League club is allowed to fail.

Union's popularity is not presumptive - you just need to look at their fan base to tell they are cut above the rabble of toothless goons we call supporters

That Darth is so funny .....but sadly so true

Quote: Darthchris "Union's popularity is not presumptive - you just need to look at their fan base to tell they are cut above the rabble of toothless goons we call supporters'" Now lets be totally Honest Darthchris, are we talking just about the Premiership clubs in union then? because I know many union clubs like Orrell RUFC who used to get fair gates but now because they are out of the big time they get an hundred or so, so lets not paint that everything is rosey in the garden, even some of the Premiership Clubs only get the same as the likes of Salford, Castleford and Wakefield. Of course I will not deny that union at the top is better run than RL is, but it is only a couple of years since Will Carling made the classic quote ""If the game is run properly as a professional game, you do not need 57 old farts running rugby." As a member of Orrell RUFC in their glory days I used to get a couple of England international tickets regularly in the draw that union clubs tend to hold for members, as tickets for Twickers are like pure gold! why/ when it is often so boring. Interesting at the weekend to hear rumours that the "Rugby Hybrid" game may take place the Queens Jubilee weekend, Tuesday June 5th, so as to beat the southern hemisphere to the stagong of the first game, Leicester Tigers V Leeds Rhinos and Bob Dwyer has been in discussions here to stage at The Emirates Stadium! Also that Fast Track Sports Marketing have been appointed to handle press and marketing to promote the World Cup in London, they are well experienced from what I am told in sport, is there not a chance that they can be given a remit to raise our profile, find a sponsor? but it is the old problem do we look attractive at present for PR/Marketing/Sponsors? www.fasttrackagency.com/

Quote: Darthchris "Union's popularity is not presumptive - you just need to look at their fan base to tell they are cut above the rabble of toothless goons we call supporters'" Now lets be totally Honest Darthchris, are we talking just about the Premiership clubs in union then? because I know many union clubs like Orrell RUFC who used to get fair gates but now because they are out of the big time they get an hundred or so, so lets not paint that everything is rosey in the garden, even some of the Premiership Clubs only get the same as the likes of Salford, Castleford and Wakefield. Of course I will not deny that union at the top is better run than RL is, but it is only a couple of years since Will Carling made the classic quote ""If the game is run properly as a professional game, you do not need 57 old farts running rugby." As a member of Orrell RUFC in their glory days I used to get a couple of England international tickets regularly in the draw that union clubs tend to hold for members, as tickets for Twickers are like pure gold! why/ when it is often so boring. Interesting at the weekend to hear rumours that the "Rugby Hybrid" game may take place the Queens Jubilee weekend, Tuesday June 5th, so as to beat the southern hemisphere to the stagong of the first game, Leicester Tigers V Leeds Rhinos and Bob Dwyer has been in discussions here to stage at The Emirates Stadium! Also that Fast Track Sports Marketing have been appointed to handle press and marketing to promote the World Cup in London, they are well experienced from what I am told in sport, is there not a chance that they can be given a remit to raise our profile, find a sponsor? but it is the old problem do we look attractive at present for PR/Marketing/Sponsors? www.fasttrackagency.com/

Its the event and it gets you away from the toothless goons you get at League- as Darth has pointed out

It's fine to joke! but over the years there have been plenty of goons in union many of them players from clubs smashing up hotels etc and the antics of many leading International players! Union Fans seem blind when it comes to attending Twickers! the England team could be losing every game and they would still fill the stadium, who are the goons then? LOL - not Everyone involved with Rugby League wherever that may be is a toothless goon these days and that goes for players as well, okay they may not have had the Eton education but many have gone on to get and earn degrees.

Will rugby league ever get rid of the flat cap image that Eddie Waring developed?

LOL

I accept you have an opinion. I also assertain that it is wrong, but all the same, you are entitled to it. By the way, when I say it's wrong, I point out why in my opinion it is wrong, whilst you retort, as below, with utter drivel based on not one fact. That of course, is my Opinion!



Re-read that 3 times and all you are doing is saying you don't believe in putting people in pigeon holes......but you make an exception for Union types. By the way, boxes, as you call them are demographic models that are the cornerstone of a lot of successful marketing campaigns, but don't let that get in the way of your ideas eh.


I said the rebrand was pointless and has been show to be just that.....blame who you want...Gus does, but the fact remains that it should never of happened unless there was a major buy in and partner......in all honestly, F()(K the RFL....They offer no support and the sooner DH realises he is on his own, regardless of the mexican stand offs in the past, the sooner he can address the issue of exposure.



.......BUT YOU DON'T PIGEON HOLE

Have you ever read Mark Anthony's speech at rlCaesar's Funeral.......?rl

Your "I don't do putting people in boxes" claim is becoming pythonesque........every time you claim it, you then put someone in a demographic box.


..............................or is just that my Public School Education kicking in

Very impressive...... good to see the state providing a decent standard of education........Oh, by the way, it's "cite", not site

Gutterfax, it always seems to have to come down to what you may say or what I say, I Fully Respect your opinion and I always find it of interest, I was brought up that you should learn something new every day of your life! and not just feel everything you know is right!

I must say at times that you come over as being the "Oracle" and the Only Guy in the world that knows anything about marketing, I doubt you do know do know so much, but others have qualified in marketing, I would never have earned my gold watch in radio for one of the top five stations in the UK out of hundreds if I knew nothing and was not able to produce successful marketing campaigns and spin research when it was released four times a year.

For your sanity, I will name at last one marketing campaign and I still claim our most successful ever marketing campaign was our tie in with Capital FM who were then the Number One London Radio, I felt it raised our profile and especially with blue collar workers (sorry another type of box LOL) the boxes at The Stoop were full of them, as I drove to home matches it was a pleasure to hit the M40 and then M25 to hear the many commercials as well as station promotions.

I agree the correct marketing has not always been there, none of is know why, is it funding? but then you have to invest and market your profile and product if you want to generate growth in any business.

I just Hope Gutterfax that Fast Track may have been given some remit from the RFL to become involved with us as well as working on the RL World Cup in London and raising the profile of the game, London Broncos fail and will do serious damage to the image of the sport.