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Oh no !!!!.... I expect them to finish 10th now !.icon_smile.gif

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Interested in your suggestion then Dog.
Not many clubs in any of the leagues who are actually self sufficient, so they nearly all need cash thrown at them by a generous benefactor to keep going, without those benefactors there is no sport, and it’s not just RL in that position either.
Another comment from a previous post, you say TWP dilute the talent pool. That then raises the other question, so what if they dilute the talent pool? You only increase that pool by expanding, in sport to expand you have to accept the pool of better players will be spread thinner to get other players to that standard, if as a sport you are not willing to do that you can never grow.
Do we (nothing to do with us) let them into SL? If they earn that right then why not, but it has to be earned, I am not a fan of franchise and buying your place in the top flight per se, for me, and yes it’s my opinion the only way up should be promotion and relegation. Yes I know in effect with spending on recruitment TWP are still buying there way in but you can’t really change that unless you go NFL route.
But along with that you have to have a financial structure and player contract protection that does away with the current impact of losing the million pound game.
Are TWP a good investment for the sport? That’s up to woodsy to decide

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I think a well run organisation would put Delloite, PwC or similar through them to see how the business is run and is being propped up etc. Are the fit and proper???

If not we may well be embarrassed again

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It’s not just us though, it’s probably most sports clubs in the country, very few could survive on gate receipts

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke "It’s not just us though, it’s probably most sports clubs in the country, very few could survive on gate receipts'"

As we have seen on these very boards over the years, Harlequins RL was into Mr Hughes for about £2 million a year (definitely during the period 2009-2012). At the time I believe a ST woked out at £15 a game and walk up was £18 or £20....but to be sure, let's just assume it was £17.00 a ticket per game.
9,050 fans paying £17 a game over 13 matches a season is £50 over what Mr Hughes was putting into the club. That is of course 9,050 fans over and above the ones we had, so in 2009 that would have been a 12,500 average to break even and in 2012, 11,850 to break even..........that's with the SKY cash and income from Tickets and also includes any commercial income we had coming in at the time.......yet we did nothing to attract new fans to games. icon_rolleyes.gif

As Toronto will soon discover, 10,000 Canadians will need to pay considerably more than the £5 a ticket that was on offer last year for Toronto to be anything other than a money pit.....they are on cable TV.......and I don't mean like Virgin Media are cable, more like "waynes world" cable. Their sponsor seems less than happy with the return on their flights for logo on a shirt deal and they will now have to essentially re-launch their offering some 10 months after they last played at home.......I applaud the bluster and bravado, but I do worry that they are being built on very very flimsy foundations which SL Chairmen will not be fooled by....well, maybe Adam Pearson, but not anyone who counts. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Exiled down south "I think a well run organisation would put Delloite, PwC or similar through them to see how the business is run and is being propped up etc. Are the fit and proper???

If not we may well be embarrassed again'"


You mean subject them to the same scrutiny by an accountancy firm as in the 2011 licencing bids? The one where the firm charged with auditing the applicants gave Crusaders a clean bill of health?

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