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Quote: nadera78 "This has nothing to do with political views, or economics, or unemployment, or bleak futures. This is the culmination of thirty years of social degradation, and we've reached the point where these kids have no concept of society, or community, or respect for other people. They see something and they want it, so they take it. It's been simmering below the surface for years now, only really being noticed when someone innocent gets caught up in a gang-related incident. What's changed over the last few days is that these kids have realised that if enough of them are doing it, and in different locations, then there is nothing the police can do to stop them. They might get caught later via CCTV but that doesn't occur to them 'cos they're too thick. All they can see is what's right in front of them.'"

Couldn't agree more. All this could just as easily have erupted three or four years ago when the economy was still booming. It's nothing to do with the recession, as the likes of Ken Livingstone (speaking on BBC News last night) would have us believe.

These vermin aren't "disenfranchised" or "frustrated", they just think they deserve the same material trappings as decent hard working people without having to work for them or earn them for themselves. They're just parasites living off the rest of us, and always will be. It's quite scary to think so many of them have been living amongst us all the time, and they've suddenly burst out of the sewer together when they think they've got enough safety in numbers. I don't want to hear any touchy-feely solutions, I want them to be made to take the consequences for their own actions. Anyone unable to comprehend that torching shops with flats above them may kill people in their own homes doesn't deserve any sympathy at all and should be charged with attempted murder.

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Quote: jbuzza "The police were perfectly capable of protecting the Treasury on Whitehall during the so called "student riots" last year.'"


If you've got a couple of thousand people in one area then it's easier to control the situation by concentrating resources on the scene. Boots on the ground, helicopters overhead, horses to corral and intimidate, cameras everywhere. Hem the protestors in and then pick them off one by one.

What we've had recently is groups of 1-200 springing up almost out of nowhere, doing their thing, and then buggering off. And it was happening in a dozen locations, so the old bill were running around town being made to look stupid (not always that difficult to do admittedly). They're relying on there being a lot of CCTV footage so they can round people up in the weeks to come.

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Breathing easier, Epsom in one piece as far as I can see.

Worrying parts is though nearby in Coulsdon a gun shop was 'targeted'.

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Was a lot calmer last night in London although that wasn't the picture elsewhere. I hope we've seen the worst of it.

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Think we've seen the worst of it to be honest....now the scummy chavs know they've been caught on CCTV, that the police are going to treat them far worse and that in general EVERYONE hates them...they will stop.

I just worry how many of them will get away with it and just continue being a parasite of society.....you know they'll be some slimy lawyer(s) that will defend them.

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