yes i agree he shud have been min sin binned at least as it condones retatiation yes howel was right to be sent of ps i am a neutral watched the game on sky but tomkins bro shud have walked 2

Game lost in first 20 mins, two or three poor kicks straight to full back or winger. Howell stupid (not for the first time), Big Mac nearly as much so, starting Clubb at centre (Nobby agreed based on his interview on the Red Button show). If we're short of forwards, let's play fringe forwards like Kaye or Thompson, not very fringe wingers like Gardner.

Fine performance late on though, plenty of commitment. Good to see that Robinson looked pretty fit.

I agree Ganson made the only decision available to him with Howell however Ganson was clearly heard saying 'I know it is your little brother and you want to look after him but leave the discipline to me , we don't need follow on, on the floor tackles'. Surely this should have indicated 10 mins in the sin bin for tomkins senior and a reversed penalty. He must have seen the follow up to comment on it. Rules must be played both ways and as I said fully back the first decision on Ganson with the red card, totally disagree with him when he bottled the yellow card. Howell's bashed face at the end showed the force of the follow on and I personally do not want to see either of these actions in RL.

Howell probably lost us the taps so how did he get any water for his early bath.

I thought that is what Nobby was hinting at as well. Clubby really needs to sort out his marking technique. Maybe he's listening to all the hype too much after his England selection.
Also agree that Gardner should not be in there if he's not on the wing. Watched the reserves against Leeds and Im sure a few could have done better than him.

A small crumb of comfort is that Wigan played as well as I've seen them for some time - it wasn't all our fault (only mostly).

Amongst all the doom and gloom I would like to say congrats to Chad for 100 successive games.

Three and a half years without missing a game is brilliant.

If you look closely it wasn't Tomkins senior (dark haired) who landed both knees on Howell's head it was Tomkins junior (blonde) !! After his initial roll on the floor, he got up and once Howell had been pushed to the floor he ran in an landed on Howell's head and seems to have put in a few punches.

Dark haired Tomkins is standing all the time.

Red for Howell, Oscar for Tomkins junior!

Seems I was hood winked the same as Ganson, I thought it was Tomkins Senior due to the comments from Ganson. Help me out here, why did Ganson make the comment was he confused or did something else happen that I didn't see?

I think Tomkins dark hair ran in and pushed Howell down but it was weasel faced blonde Tomkins who managed to make enough of a recovery to drop onto Howell's head.

No excusing Howell (without reading his mind we'll never know his real intent) but Tomkins needs a little chat too - remember LMS got 5 matches for running in and a punch ..................

That is quite remarkable in today's game. Top effort Randall

I agree Gob LMS was dealt with along with 4 others.