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| I like he seems like a great man but it seems like the players don’t want to play for him , but also think if given the right amount of time he could make something of our side. would like to know your opinions
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| I think he is the man to take us forward at the end of 2020, providing he can bring his own players in and not have some Thewlis specials.
I don't think he is the man for "now" as he can't motivate most of the players in this pathetic squad.
Does he need to take responsibility for signing Uate, Frawley and Matagi or is that down to Thewlis?
At the end of 2020 there are 16 players OOC and until then next season will turn out to be similar to this season in afraid, unless we get relegated.
Years of shambolic recruitment has ruined the club. If our academy wasn't as good as it, the club would have nothing going for it at all.
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| Quote: GiantJake1988 "I think he is the man to take us forward at the end of 2020, providing he can bring his own players in and not have some Thewlis specials.
I don't think he is the man for "now" as he can't motivate most of the players in this pathetic squad.
Does he need to take responsibility for signing Uate, Frawley and Matagi or is that down to Thewlis?
At the end of 2020 there are 16 players OOC and until then next season will turn out to be similar to this season in afraid, unless we get relegated.
Years of shambolic recruitment has ruined the club. If our academy wasn't as good as it, the club would have nothing going for it at all.'"
I’ve given up sticking up for frawley and matagi but uate could be a different player after his op but I would love to see him stay best signing so far has been joe tho my a mile a different side with him in. I think if he keeps us up then he should stay but if we go down I think he should go
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| woolfords record isnt great.
but he did lose his assistant coach and head conditioner in pre season so that cant have helped... drafter poching and robinson in.
i certainly wouldnt mind seeing thorman back at the club, the club wanted him and he wanted to stay but for some reason he had to leave... was it the rfl?
if he does well at workington can see him taking over when woolford comes to the end.
woolford like others before him, stone.... have had the injury curse too.
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turner
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as a back line, mcintosh needs to hit some form at full back asap. if he does i can see that back line saving us
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Homme Vaste wrote:[quote:36bif8w3]I think every Hudds fan on here will agree when I say they brought way more than 250 fans to Belle Vue on there visits this season, probably closer to 1000[/quote:36bif8w3]: |
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| I would happily see the back of Frawley,roberts and ikahihifo tomorrow as they offer nothing to the team and will obviously be taking a chunk of wages up, we need some fresh impetus in the squad and these 3 must surely be easily replaceable.
others like clough, matagi, lawrence, murphy are nothing but squad fillers and again we must be able to improve on them with the money there on.
i'd like to see grix brought back in to marshall the defence and darnell either rested for a few games or moved to the wing as we are conceding an alarming number or soft unavoidable tries.
turner, gaskell and o'brien have come on well under woolford and along with the twins are giving there all at the minute unfortuantely the entire squad is nowhere near good enough and we need a complete overhaul and woolford has to be given the chance to rebuild the squad before he's judged
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| The issue is not with woolford. It is with the players themselves. They’ve shown they can step up like they did at Magic. They aren’t doing so each week. They know where their issues are- but they aren't changing themselves to deal with it. We are the slowest team in the league by a way, and I’m not talking about individuals in talking about the speed at which we play the game- speed requires fitness, and effort.
No one dynamic enough on that field to sort them out. No leader. And much as I think Andy Kelly is doing a brilliant job with youth- he’s anonymous on the field on game day- he doesn’t gee them up/b@ll@ck them like robbo does- in fact he doesn’t speak to them at all!
Those who watch the youngsters on a regular basis will see a big difference in squad unity- they NEVER stop talking to each other on the field, giving encouragement and direction to each other all the way through whether winning or losing.
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| Quote: jools "The issue is not with woolford. It is with the players themselves. They’ve shown they can step up like they did at Magic. They aren’t doing so each week. They know where their issues are- but they aren't changing themselves to deal with it. We are the slowest team in the league by a way, and I’m not talking about individuals in talking about the speed at which we play the game- speed requires fitness, and effort.
No one dynamic enough on that field to sort them out. No leader. And much as I think Andy Kelly is doing a brilliant job with youth- he’s anonymous on the field on game day- he doesn’t gee them up/b@ll@ck them like robbo does- in fact he doesn’t speak to them at all!
Those who watch the youngsters on a regular basis will see a big difference in squad unity- they NEVER stop talking to each other on the field, giving encouragement and direction to each other all the way through whether winning or losing.'"
The youngsters may also finish bottom of the table with the way they are going.
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| Quote: GiantJake1988 "The youngsters may also finish bottom of the table with the way the year are going.'"
Highly unlikely. They are currently 5th and 12 points in front of the bottom placed team.
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| yeh the wheels have come off the academy too!
mind you alot have been playing in super league so no surprise
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| I wouldn’t be surprised if it is certainly if we lose at Salford. Woolford will become the latest fall guy deflecting the real mismanagement issues that are causing the constant decline at the club
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| Quote: jools "The issue is not with woolford. It is with the players themselves. They’ve shown they can step up like they did at Magic. They aren’t doing so each week. They know where their issues are- but they aren't changing themselves to deal with it. We are the slowest team in the league by a way, and I’m not talking about individuals in talking about the speed at which we play the game- speed requires fitness, and effort.
No one dynamic enough on that field to sort them out. No leader. And much as I think Andy Kelly is doing a brilliant job with youth- he’s anonymous on the field on game day- he doesn’t gee them up/b@ll@ck them like robbo does- in fact he doesn’t speak to them at all!
Those who watch the youngsters on a regular basis will see a big difference in squad unity- they NEVER stop talking to each other on the field, giving encouragement and direction to each other all the way through whether winning or losing.'"
I agree to a certain extent, but there comes a time when you have to ask the question 'why aren't the players playing' and if you ask it so many times, the answer will come back to the coach.
More often than not, that's why coaches move on. It's very rare one will leave on a high.
Ultimately, it's the coach's job to get them playing - and as much as I like Woolford, I think it's now time to start asking the question.
As far as Andy Kelly goes, I don't believe it's his job on matchday to act in that enforcer role.
The players also do communicate on the field, it's just that you can hear it a lot more in the academy games as they are closer and there's only two people and a dog there
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| Quote: GiantMisterE "I agree to a certain extent, but there comes a time when you have to ask the question 'why aren't the players playing' and if you ask it so many times, the answer will come back to the coach.
More often than not, that's why coaches move on. It's very rare one will leave on a high.
Ultimately, it's the coach's job to get them playing - and as much as I like Woolford, I think it's now time to start asking the question.
As far as Andy Kelly goes, I don't believe it's his job on matchday to act in that enforcer role.
The players also do communicate on the field, it's just that you can hear it a lot more in the academy games as they are closer and there's only two people and a dog there'"
It’s been Andy kelly’s Job the last few weeks as robbo hasn’t been there- he’s been up top with woolford. there’s no ground closer than wakey when you are stood alongside- you can almost reach out and touch the players! It was because I was as close as I am at the academy that the difference struck me!
I agree questions have to be asked as to why the players aren’t responding to Woolford- but they didn’t respond to stone, so where’s the fault.
when we were winning just a handful of games every season and finishing bottom every year the fans rarely questioned the player effort- they left that field and you could see physically they’d given it everything-they just weren’t the same skill level than other teams. Now effort is being questioned by the fans. It could just be that expectations are higher- what do others think?
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| I know there are issues around injuries but ultimately it comes back to the coach and I have gone from being happy with Woolford to questioning whether he can take us on. If he's giving the team a game plan to win games and they aren't following it he has to find out why and find a way of getting his plans carried out rather than just constantly critiscise the team. Certainly needs to be asking serious questions of the defensive coach and getting that sorted. Was the fantastic run last year more down to Thorman? Looking at the fixtures and our form I don't see us surviving without an immediate dramatic change.
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Homme Vaste wrote:[quote:36bif8w3]I think every Hudds fan on here will agree when I say they brought way more than 250 fans to Belle Vue on there visits this season, probably closer to 1000[/quote:36bif8w3]: |
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| so basically we've had 3 bad coaches in a row who can't make the players play better? surely by now then the players themselves would be trying to play better off their own back if the coaches haven't been able to 'make' them.
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| Obviously I know the players should have their own professional pride and attitude, but the coach has to be able to man manage on an individual basis to get the best out of each man.....Was Thorman the man doing that is my question. I like Woolford and hope he can turn it around but my point was that he has to identify how that can be done. Plus there is no leader on the pitch to drive the team on.
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