That sums it up nicely.

I always look at the defensive line speed as a sign of intent.

Ours stutters from decent to two steps forward two sideways and two back - a bit like waltzing (not that I know owt about dancing).

I thought Oliver Russell showed the best line speed for us yesterday which for his size says it all.

A lot of hard looks in the mirror required I feel otherwise a long, hard season ultimately ending in relegation.

At the moment it looks like it's between us, Leeds and Wigan!

Whoda thought it.

Indeed. At least Town have had an adventure.

The difference is that football is so skewed to the top four or five clubs that there’s no hope whatsoever that Town will ever compete with them, unless a foriegn billionaire fancies spending half a billion pounds.

But there are no structural reasons why the Giants can’t compete with Wigan and Saints etc That’s very frustrating to me.

picked out the forwards too..thats the biggest problem, been saying it since last season...

we all agree apart from one poster.

come on, warrington and leeds pay marquee players so spend more than us to name just two

the problem is now we arent an attractive club to join, the only way we can get players now is to offer a longer deal than another club... uate for example a 3 yr deal... others maybe offered 2 but he will come here for an extra year.. just an example there are others in this team too

then you can delve further into the academy scene where the top youngsters in the area are being picked up by the clubs with more money, offering them money at a young age, cant blame the parents too for saying you would be better going to wigan etc than hudds

the main comments from woolford post match are around showing no resilience.....

hinchcliffe had that in abundance but hes gone, an example of players like that we lack now in this team

cudjoe and clough would help but guess what...... the other problem injuries

Sorry, but that’s the same old story we always hear. Poor little Giants can’t ever compete.

The gap between Huddersfield Town and Manchester City is a thousand times bigger than the gap between Fartown and Wigan.

The Giants are just a comfort zone from the top down, They will just keep dipping their bread in the gravy for as long as they are allowed. Whoever is in charge of buying is stealing a living, We pay a fortune for a so called top winger who will probably receive less passes than any other winger in the league, we have endless combinations of Halves none of which ever get to play off the front foot and so get slagged off.
We have players who get injured if somebody looks at them sideways and we don't see them again for months . We have far and away the poorest pack in the league and when everyone is fit and well ( if they ever are ) we will still have the poorest pack in the league .
If Woolford can't see what everyone else can see he wants to be on his way or if he can't change it then he shouldn't be here anyway. I don't care if we won 8 games on the trot last season, when it came to the crunch we didn't win the one's we needed too and we will lose a lot more than 8 on the trot unless some one at the club gets into the real world. I know we are a good side who can go all the way, I spent all winter reading about how well they trained and how well they all got on and played for each other, They might be better telling the other teams that while they are rolling us down the field.

You lads are both correct and Steve May you have always been on the ball about the real issues at the Giants. I’ve always tried to take the line that it’s up to Ken it’s his money etc but that is wearing thin the enjoyment has gone plenty of people are voting with their feet and when he looks across at the empty stands you would think he would make some changes at the top, can’t see it though Woolford will be the next fall guy if he loses 3 more. The club needs a complete change

good to see the old posters back

The sixty odd quid I spent on Sunday wasn’t his money. It was mine.

I’d post more often if they played on Sundays all the time.

It's okay, let him keep thinking it was Westie's try that was dodgy, might stop him having a coronary when he sees this.....

Let’s compare ourselves with our near neighbours Wakey and Cas The are doing better than us withlower Salary cap or they were until recently , no marquee players , not the best facilities at the ground and all with players who are playing better than ours.

That is about them being better run-and Happier clubs. Ours has been run badly and not playing in the WCC said we are mediocre and are happy to stay like that. From there the only way was downhill.

Looks like you've got touch of the Borats there.

A couple of paracetamols and an early night for you I think.

To be fair with the money Huddersfield spend on players they should be doing better, granted injuries don’t help but as someone says it doesn’t and never has looked like a happy club imo. Not having a dig btw. I just think with Davy pumping money in the signings aren’t considered / thought as much as say Wakefield’s would be?

We always seem to get the best out of players that other clubs wouldn’t.

Apparently Grix played part of the game with a broken hand

To be fair, there was a period of several years where Fartown were on the up and going well. At that point, they had nearly jumped from the Wakey/Widnes/Salford group of clubs into the top group - looking set to replace Bradford.

A couple of things happened within the squad that made things difficult. But the biggest thing for me was that the club - not necessarily the squad - didn’t have the courage to make the step up.

There’s a pivotal moment in the lives of successful people where they choose to step up to another level. It’s not easy to do that, particularly if you have no experience of it. It’s risky. Many people who try to make that step fail (look at Liverpool - they tried and failed under Brendan Rogers, will they succeed under Klopp?). But absolutely everyone who doesn’t take that step fails.

In some organisations taking that step up is an expected part of the organisation. In British RL you’d look to St Helens, Wigan, Leeds when Sinfield was playing. Or the All Blacks, Manchester United under Fergie, Liverpool for about 30 years, Yorkshire CCC for decades until Geoffrey Boycott destroyed the culture.

The others - like Wakey, for example - are pretty much drifting along in an easy and comfortable culture of mediocrity going nowhere.

The thing with Wakefield is that they’ve not been close to that breakthrough moment for fifty years. They’re happy as a club to be the sixth or seventh best in the league in a good year and they don’t appear to have any interest in changing that. Which I can understand - most people run their entire lives on those lines. It’s a comfortable way to live. But then most people aren’t elite sportsmen.

My frustration with the Giants is that they worked bloody hard to get to that big decision point, and then the management of the club went “Nah, better to sit back and tick along as we have done for years.”

They were almost there. If they’d tried and failed, that would be disappointing but forgivable. But the club lacked the guts to try. It’s no surprise that the players, who are the ones who put in the blood and sweat and pain, just gave up and now the club can’t attract decent players.

Such a waste.

No issue with most of what you say but in Wakefields case they have rebuilt, there is no sugar daddy Michael Carter runs a tight ship he does not spend money the club does not have. Income streams are increasing so more money is available. The club is hamstrung with the stadium at the moment once that gets sorted which currently seems way off the club punching at a specific level. What it has got is a streamlined admin behind the team. The playrrs themselves appear to get on well and are bought into the vision of Carter and Chestet things are getting better.

For me that pivotal moment was when we refused to compete in the World Club Challenge. If I was a player at that time I would have been gutted not to play against an NRL side and as a fan I was gutted we turned down that opportunity to witness us compete against an NRL team. Perhaps that message then sent out that we are happy to settle for less and in some small way has affected the attitudes of people at the club.

come on we dont get nothing from the refs!!

child was dropped after his performance last week against us

still they have won nothing , lls shield apart like us.

been some bad decisions made by the giants in recent years no doubt, wanted thewlis out years ago.

2013 and around then was our time and we blew it to win the grand final... two cup finals too, one we should have won.

tough times now

From when i started watching Fartown (under Murphy) we were a club on the up. We stalled when we hit Superleague for a few years, but after relegation started climbing again and very nearly hit the heights. The biggest problem , however uncomfortable, is that the town itself didn't want it. We were winning nearly every week, had realistic chances of winning things and appeared in challenge cup finals. Attendances barely grew at all. I think Mr Davey and co. realise that all they can do right now is keep the ship afloat until 'maybe' one day the town does want it. If you look at league tables in most sports, you will find that clubs are more or less ranked by attendances. Sure, there are some fluctuations, but in the longer term, having a big fan base gives you more chances to get it right. You buy bad players, you have the money to replace them etc etc. According to attendance we are where we are meant to be, i am saddened that Huddersfield doesn't want a successful Rugby League team, and would rather watch football, but that is the reality. We tried to change it, and in the timescale we have had so far, have been unsuccessful.

The 70's and 80's were bad for Huddersfield in more ways than just the rugby played on the field. We lost a generation, and that lost generation never passed on the Rugby League bug to their children. Now we are trying to rebuild from scratch a supporter base, and to be honest not doing too badly, i see a lot of younger fans and children at games and that bodes well. For the first twenty years i watched Fartown we were simply replacing the old fans who had seen the glory days of Hunter, Cooper and Devery with new ones. Now they are all gone, and we have to build a new legacy from scratch.

I always want us to be vying for trophies and winning matches, but the reality is we aren't a well enough supported club to be doing that consistently, until we are we will continue to struggle.

Good post Hangerman2 I believe you have hit the nail on the head.One thing you are wrong about is us older speccies some of us are still around after 70years.

that was 'scored' at a crucial time too think it was 12-8 at the time