Is this the same man who was saying he would rather win than be entertained.

Why has a thread about Kyle wood descended into a moan fest?????

Big problem regarding playing young players Bilko, We are stuck with old players on contracts so Anderson must play them. How will we find out if they are ever going to be good enough? Sign more overseas players!!!!!!,

That is exactly the point thats getting used wrongly in some respects Martin
Many on here have had me down as a moaner for quoting facts for years so one more season will be like water off a ducks back !



Without being disrespectful some of the current regulars are (relative) newcomers so the improvement theyve witnessed is from a "standing start " that even then wasnt the depths " you" and "our kid" witnessed prior to the almost disappearance of the club PRIOR to when Ken rode into the frame. You and many dont want knighthoods for "hanging on in" from way back and that includes Ivor, Cag, et al who I have great respect for . Many including the senior Giants have witnessed a real roller coaster going back as you say to the 50 odd years since we had a trophy. Up at the top competing for the double -down to the depths of more on the field than on the terraces But yeah - thats history / the game has changed / the structure of the game has changed

But many whove been once again classed as moaners are not that at all
Those who have stayed the pace are in the loyal fans grouping you say we shouldnt forget
Its just that as supporters we all FEEL this loyalty to the club in different ways and the so called moaning stems I believe from the lomg term frustration that some feel

Lets be fair some posters who have contributed to the seasons review have been on the scene a fair while and will show their beliefs and faith in different ways.
The thing that bothers me (and I think some of them) is this

Numbers HAVE dropped even during this consolidation period you mention despite winning the LLS that would in football be lauded to the heights
.......despite Kens cost cutting / price freeze initiatives

In 58- 66 period approx 30odd of us went together to away games on a Hanson bus

I know 3 who still do --- and yes they moan !


But dammit theyre still HERE

Its a Yorks thing I believe that we are poor losers me included
But Im not for "its the taking part "
Sod that -if you take part in a game/contest go and damn well try and win
At the moment we`re not - at least a cup!

yes to me the LLS took more than 1 off games to win and rightly should be applauded but it was achieved on a gradual basis - not at a one off show piece occasion that hangers on would attend (and they did Twickenham and Wembley ) but THEY DIDN`t stay because we didnt win
That sadly is what we`re up against IMO, and is why when such as DG / and other long stay so called moaners start getting doubts, it gets me a little worried about future attendances increasing without the so called silverware that others seem happy to dismiss as irrelevant through rose coloured specs
Without these attendance figure increases - its gonna be a long hard slog in my view whatever happens on the field

Pop down to Turnbridge for the Grand Final and we can introduce ourselves.

I'm going to a grand final do Ivor, Maybe another time mate.

Quote ="Baron Greenback"You keep mentioning Hampshire DG - heard anything?'" For anyone interested read this link about Williams and follow it through where it talks about Hampshire viewtopic.php?f=28&t=589227 I would not want him on loan. Buy him now whilst there is the opportunity and he could be our 6 or 7 for 10 years. Hope someone at the club reads this.

Quote ="Baron Greenback"You keep mentioning Hampshire DG - heard anything?'" For anyone interested read this link about Williams and follow it through where it talks about Hampshire viewtopic.php?f=28&t=589227 I would not want him on loan. Buy him now whilst there is the opportunity and he could be our 6 or 7 for 10 years. Hope someone at the club reads this.

Quote ="Durham Giant"For anyone interested read this link about Williams and follow it through where it talks about Hampshire viewtopic.php?f=28&t=589227 I would not want him on loan. Buy him now whilst there is the opportunity and he could be our 6 or 7 for 10 years. Hope someone at the club reads this.'" The Giants have already decided that Ellis is the future.

Quote ="Durham Giant"For anyone interested read this link about Williams and follow it through where it talks about Hampshire viewtopic.php?f=28&t=589227 I would not want him on loan. Buy him now whilst there is the opportunity and he could be our 6 or 7 for 10 years. Hope someone at the club reads this.'" The Giants have already decided that Ellis is the future.

we can't afford to buy players!

only way we can do that is by people coming to games and contributing towards the finances.

Would we have money if the club was better run and not offering silly contracts to players.

Alternatively we could improve the team that little bit to take us on to the next level to bring fans in.

Speculate to accumulate because if we carry on like we are doing we are on the slow train to oblivion.

Death by a thousand disappointments.

What is frustrating is we are a finger tip away from being part of the elite in RL. This so close but no cigar won't go on forever. Either we will make it or we slip down. Unless we grab this opportunity with both hands I fear we will do the latter and slip down, really hope I am wrong.

We never will be able to while we are spending Cap on players who are clearly not good enough.

And how do you propose we get these people coming to games and contributing, If you haven't noticed crowds are diminishing.

That in it's self should tell you we need a fresh approach, Personally I don't think we will get it while we have the present people running the club. Do you think the clubs who we are striving to catch up with would put up with this end of season disappointment year on year, Not a chance, That's why they are where they are, and we are amongst the rest.

Matt01 is right, on our better shows this season we are not that far away but we can only do it for an odd game here and there, That's cause we don't have that quality required to do it week in week out, It's not just about Physical ability It's mental attitude as well, demonstrated perfectly by Ryan Hall, with thirty seconds to go he was still trying to win the game, we had already settled for the draw.

The whole strategy seems to be that if we get a big enough name ,and we keep grinding on, something will miraculously change and one year it will be our turn, so year on year we keep getting these big names and expect them to transform us into winners, and year on year the crowd gets a little less, Maybe we would actually be happier in the second 12

The backroom staff at the club do an outstanding job - especially considereing how many there are.

Leeds have a backroom staff of 150 [according to Garry Hetherington. We have perhaps a tenth of that figure.

Agree with Ivor, James Brammer, for instance has a marketing team of just 2 now whereas before it was 8..these kind of cuts had to come due to the crowds not coming and the need to save money.

If any of you people are unhappy then please feel free to join the HGSA and give us (and the club) any ideas you may have for improving things, the club do meet with us and listen to us so it could be your chance to get your thoughts and ideas through to them ! - that was a genuine offer by the way not a condescending dig at anyone. We are all frustrated that we have lost out again, the lack of crowds, the lack of world class players - we have to be patient and let the club build in its own time ...yes it may take a while but as supporters isn't it always worth the wait after seeing failure ?.

It's pretty straightforward IMO. They have to grasp the nettle and spend some more money. Saying it can't be afforded is essentially admitting defeat. Otherwise the current trend with respect to crowd numbers isn't got to be reversed. These people may do a great job "all things considered" but it's not getting the desired end result. They should really smash it and if that doesn't work they know the people of Huddersfield don't really want a SL team. A half d effort for another 10 years is probably more expensive than 3 years of all out aggressive, strategic marketing. IMO obviously.

All this

Agree, we do need to speculate to accumulate. I've even suggested and offered many time to let the fans do the marketing if the club cannot afford it...i'm sure plenty of us would be willing to deliver leaflets, stick posters up, hand out flyers in town etc.

as i've said repeatedly, we are punching above our weight, we simply cannot match Leeds, Wigan, saints, Warrington, Hull, catalans for finances, crowds, marketing, but yet we are consistently challenging at the top unlike,say hull, who seem to struggle.

we can only go so far on our limited finances, we lose money as a club every year, so we obviously aren't able to bring in a whole raft of backroom staff, as IVOR says, Leeds have over 150 members of their backroom staff, we have less than 40 IIRC.

we are all frustrated at the perceived lack of ambition, but it's not ambition that is holding us back, or the people running the club, it's the lack of finances.

players are given contracts who aren't good enough, well they are good enough according to the people who run the club otherwise they wouldn't sign players, we can't just "get rid" of players as people suggest, we can't just "get people in".

i agree that we are probably 3/4 very good players short of being a very good team that is able to go that next step, but if we cant afford those players then what? why do Wakefield struggle every year? why have Bradford gone downhill?? because they have no money to get better players in!

It's quite predictable the way that if you criticize the Giants, you immediately get told what Leeds or Wigan etc have got, what they have got has nothing to do with the Giants, and it inevitably leads on to the " we are punching above our weight"

They certainly do Ivor, Lets look at some of their triumphs, The ludicrous way in which Mason was got rid of, We all know how that ended up including the judge who found in favour of Mason, What was the final cost ? half a million was it, That would have bought a decent Halfback.

The shifty behind the scenes dealing with Kopczak, Fined again, pay up to Bradford.

The getting rid of Hodgson, the best player at Huddersfield for half a century, not worth 2years at the Giants , let Warrington have him for 3 years, Great move.

The Double shuffle with drew, another classy player who wasn't worth 2 years, but eventually became so 2 years later. Ditto Kyle wood, let him go not needed, get him back essential part of our squad.

Now we have L Patrick coming back from loan, Fair enough, the club are saying he will be an improved player, are we now saying then that Wigan and Wakefield improve the players they get from us, they get better coaching and improve their game, Mmm.

Now the latest fine by the RFL for breaching the rules on player welfare.

And while all this doing a good job is going on , the crowds continue to fall.

I think I see where you are coming from Ivor, They probably deserve a pay rise.

Can some mods do some modding and please do something about this thread - which has several pages NOT about Kyle wood.

I'm not saying that this debate shouldn't continue- but perhaps under a different title thread???

Jools - it was one of the mods that caused the thread drift !

don't buy into lack of finances why buy Lockwood park . paying masson 100k how many more players are being over payed, its about time the club published the books like leeds then we can see who much they are loosing where the money is going and who much they get from sponsors ect then we will all know if we are punching above are weight or badly spending our cap

Your support of the club does you credit Meast, but what you are basically saying is we cannot expect to go any further forward than we are, We can desperately hope too, but to all intents and purposes this is as good as it gets.

You are saying we are in this Chicken and Egg situation, I agree with you. We can't afford the right Key players because we don't get the crowds to fund them, We don't get the crowds because we don't play an attractive enough style of rugby to draw the crowds in, So basically we carry on in the same mode till the diminishing crowds make the club no longer sustainable and we fold.

I agree with what the Barron said, It's time to bite the bullet. I know It's easy to spend some one else's money, but if Mr Davy is planning to continue to invest at his present rate, for say the next 10 years"for example" why not bang it in in the next 2/ 3 years , get some class players and get amongst the so called big boys.

If it works we get to win things maybe, at the very least we become truly one of the top sides, If we are playing classy Football there is every chance we will win things and the crowds will come and watch, for all this to work we have to have the right people, and we have to market any success we have.

If it all goes belly up, it wont have cost Mr Davy any more, he can walk away knowing he has done everything he can to make the Giants a success. ( in truth he could walk away now with his head held high )

Comparing us to Wakey or Bradford meast is quite pointless. Neither of those clubs have had the incredible good fortune that we have. If we are punching above our weight what have Wakey been doing, they have survived in Super league playing everyone else's cast off players, and had any half decent players they have brought on taken by other clubs , including us, ( to the great glee of many Giants fans )

Bradford's record speaks for It's self, No matter what they are now , they were the pace setters in Summer rugby, they have been to heights we can only dream about, A lot of Giants fans hate them with a vengeance, but It's only because they were a great side and a lot of Huddersfield fans preferred to watch them than the Giants. ( I must say this hatred of other clubs and their fans is not peculiar to Giants Fans ) they are no worse than any others.

All the other clubs you mention have no bearing on our dilemma, They have their own problems to solve we have ours, I don't care if Leeds or Wigan have 500 backroom staff it does us no good, I'm more concerned with the job ours are doing.

Like you I have watched the Giants for a long time, I just have the feeling that ( just like that game against Leeds ) now is our chance to move up , We have some good players, we have one or two very good players, We need the right players to take us on, and we have to do whatever it takes to get them, If we can't then so be it , we shall remain a nearly team at best , and a Gone club at worst.

Throwing money at buying players doesn't work- Leeds tried it, Salford tried it and to some extent so did we goulding, schofield, etc....
We are now trying to 'build' a club rather than buy one- our downfall is the apathy of the Huddersfield public. The answer to that we haven't been able to crack- even making tickets free doesn't bring them flocking !!!

..... Add to that.....Leeds are charging their fans £5 to attend their homecoming party..... Imagine...