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Quote: ShelleyGiant " [sizeOh yes we will,[/size apart from a couple of games this season our pack has been well and truly beaten up and battered by so called "inferior" packs to ours, our defense has been woefull and we've leaked points for fun, don't know whats gone wrong but I'm surprised Anderson hasn't sorted out our forwards by now.
Big Eorl and Koppy on the whole have been very poor and to be honest a few weeks rest might do them both the world of good, they're getting a place in the team on reputation and not on perfomances, same with Leroy, he looks tired, jaded and not half the player he was last season, give him a rest (kick up the booty) players need it from time to time. Add to this Robbo looks injured Broughy needs to get his head sorted to concencentrate on playing instead of pressing the self destruct button and getting involved in stupid arguments he can't win. Last but not least at the moment I don't think Wood brings a lot to the show, I don't think he's good enough for a place be it in the team or on the bench, but that's just my opinion. I think it's fairly easy to see why we're struggling this season, the recent 5 win streak was mainly (Cas apart) against poor opposition who to be honest if we listen to the "experts" we should have buried, but we didn't and the victories didn't even paper over the cracks, we looked poor for large parts of all those games, our pack struggled our defence stuttered and our attack blew hot and cold throughout, don't think them 5 wins fooled too many people. Play like we have been doing against Wigan on Thurs and then at Lids the following week and we could well be on the wrong end of 2 cricket scores.
This post almost echoes my thoughts.
I agree with most of it apart from I think Koppy is slowly improving so more game time the better.
And I'm personally a fan of Wood and think he's been playing well. I think this season he's been pretty good at half back. Maybe starting him there could help him improve and bench Robbo to come into hooker or halves or wherever he's needed.
Good post though ShellyGiant.

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19 named - Blackmore in for Kopczak, otherwise same as Saints

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Quote: TBC "19 named - Blackmore in for Kopczak, otherwise same as Saints'"


O'Loughlin and Bowen back, but McIlorum and Sarginson out.
www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... &type=news
Quote: TBC "19 named - Blackmore in for Kopczak, otherwise same as Saints'"


O'Loughlin and Bowen back, but McIlorum and Sarginson out.
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Quote: ShelleyGiant " [sizeOh yes we will,[/size apart from a couple of games this season our pack has been well and truly beaten up and battered by so called "inferior" packs to ours, our defense has been woefull and we've leaked points for fun, don't know whats gone wrong but I'm surprised Anderson hasn't sorted out our forwards by now.
Big Eorl and Koppy on the whole have been very poor and to be honest a few weeks rest might do them both the world of good, they're getting a place in the team on reputation and not on perfomances, same with Leroy, he looks tired, jaded and not half the player he was last season, give him a rest (kick up the booty) players need it from time to time. Add to this Robbo looks injured Broughy needs to get his head sorted to concencentrate on playing instead of pressing the self destruct button and getting involved in stupid arguments he can't win. Last but not least at the moment I don't think Wood brings a lot to the show, I don't think he's good enough for a place be it in the team or on the bench, but that's just my opinion. I think it's fairly easy to see why we're struggling this season, the recent 5 win streak was mainly (Cas apart) against poor opposition who to be honest if we listen to the "experts" we should have buried, but we didn't and the victories didn't even paper over the cracks, we looked poor for large parts of all those games, our pack struggled our defence stuttered and our attack blew hot and cold throughout, don't think them 5 wins fooled too many people. Play like we have been doing against Wigan on Thurs and then at Lids the following week and we could well be on the wrong end of 2 cricket scores.
robinson IS injured. still playing though.

i think crabtree is going ok, his stats back that up too.

kopczak has been dropped/rested for this one

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from our 19 i think anderson will go....

Grix

Mcgillvary
Cudjoe
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Broughton

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Robinson

Lunt
Crabtree
Johnson
Ferres
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Patrick
Wood

unless he finds a place for bailey which then he could leave taai out...unless he doesnt play johnson and puts taai at prop

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Finally Andersons grown a pair and dropped some one out of form hopefully more players to come, still think he's a if your face fits type of coach. Players need to earn the right to wear the claret and gold and not just get a place on reputation don't think it can do any good for squad harmony players coming straight back into a side like Ferres did hes a great player but Ta'ai took his chance while he was banned and I think Ferres should have had to wait his time could also say the same about Lunty.

for wigan i'd go with

grix
jerry
murphy
wardle
blackmore
bailey
brough
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mullally
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Lawrence

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Mullally not in either!

Dropping 2 starting props is a big call...whilst a third is on loan at Bradford.

Fingers crossed pa has got it right.

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Mullally is named in zaminer squad but not on website- thought I was going mad earlier having seen mullally down and after a discussion with other half about kopczak missing and having only mullally and Eorl as proper props!

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Quote: jools "Mullally is named in zaminer squad but not on website- thought I was going mad earlier having seen mullally down and after a discussion with other half about kopczak missing and having only mullally and Eorl as proper props!'"

According to Giants website earlier this aft Mullally was in the 19. Now been replaced by Johnson.

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Quote: brearley84 "from our 19 i think anderson will go....

Grix

Mcgillvary
Cudjoe
Wardle
Broughton

Brough
Robinson

Lunt
Crabtree
Johnson
Ferres
Lawrence
Chan

bench-
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Taai
Patrick
Wood

unless he finds a place for bailey which then he could leave taai out...unless he doesnt play johnson and puts taai at prop'"


Broughton is not in the squad.

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I dont really rate ta'ai or koppy much, ta'ai's ball handling is poor and koppy seems quite lazy and soft in defence for his size the forwards need to start being more aggressive both in defence and attack otherwise we wont be winning anything anytime soon

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we will know in the first set we need to get into there faces with good line speed from all 13 and run the ball in with speed and aggression if we start like last week we will be trouble getting bet by a very under strength sts then wigan to me is unexceptionable

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Quote: saint joe "Finally Andersons grown a pair and dropped some one out of form hopefully more players to come, still think he's a if your face fits type of coach. Players need to earn the right to wear the claret and gold and not just get a place on reputation don't think it can do any good for squad harmony players coming straight back into a side like Ferres did hes a great player but Ta'ai took his chance while he was banned and I think Ferres should have had to wait his time could also say the same about Lunty.

for wigan i'd go with

grix
jerry
murphy
wardle
blackmore
bailey
brough
Patrick
wood
mullally
ta'ai
ferres
Lawrence

Johnson
lunt
chan
faiumu'"


agree about ferres and taai but taai has kept his place in the team so cant complain too much. though not in his best position which is 2nd row.

ferres has gone ok since coming back too.

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Quote: Run leroy , run ! "Mullally not in either!

Dropping 2 starting props is a big call...whilst a third is on loan at Bradford.

Fingers crossed pa has got it right.'"


Kaufusi went on loan for a month so i think after this weekend he should return, think its time he did to be honest too

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Quote: the stella kid "Broughton is not in the squad.'"


yeh realised that later!

swap for murphy/blackmore, think blackmore deserves to have another go though

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