Absolutely spot on. We looked to have no game plan or at least adapt the one we had: Danny Brough taking ball in on 5th tackle; running it on the last from 40 yards out on numerous occasions; no attempt at defending bombs on a couple of occasions; unable to cope with Cru's offloads.

From behind the sticks, it looked really, really slow when we had the ball and sometimes we looked clueless. Faalongo doesn't look fit at all - anyone else concerned about him? I think there's something more going on there.

A truly, truly disappointing afternoon.

i also noticed Doof didn't look fit when he was on he seemed almost lethargic and dis-interested.

what i dont understand is how many tries or chances have come from Broughy's high kicks this year? and how many has he done in the last 2 games ?
i just dont understand why we dont pepper every team with those kicks.

i wont single any players out as good or bad because they were all as bad as each other and no one actually did anything to help salvage the crap we were in in the 1st half.

interesting to see the stats from yesterday,i bet we made more unforced errors and missed more tackles in that one game than we had in the previous 3!

Eorl tackled his heart out yesterday. He ran hard, trouble was they tackled him round the legs - difficult to run without legs.

Griff also ran hard and offloaded a couple of times.

I really cannot see how these two can be said to have had poor games.

As for Jerry, I cannot comment about 3 tries on the outside of him, I didn't really notice 2 of them. However, he ran his usual hard self.

Simpson should not have tried to run on the outside but apart from that he did nothing wrong. He ran the ball out hard. If some fo the forwards had have put the same effort in the result might have been different.

Our main problem was a lack of direction and creativity [apart from the unforced errors & silly penalties.

Yes, on paper we should have won. But there's only 2 teams with 2 fewer defeats than us - and they have to play each other.

I really do wonder why some people bother giong to matches. Isn't there enough in the world to slag off without perpetually picking on a small number of our players?

as i said yesterday even though it wasnt good for us, it is nice to see that the botom side can beat the topside, which is what we all want a closing in standards throughout the league to get a competitive super league every week.

I watched the Game from the half way line and so had a great view.

1) Very flat performance. Only try was very lucky and never troubled the line in the first half.
2) Things livened up a lot when lunt came on.
3) Forwards never got on the front foot.
4) Crusaders were virtually mistake free and took their chances well - well done.
5) For me simpson had a shocker.
6) Ganson was generous to the Crusaders (probably due to the free chips he got in the hospitality lounge before the game).

These things happen. Better to lose one game by 30 than 3 or 4 by a few points. The main thing is to bounce back against our bogey team Salford on Tuesday.

Finally (although it's a so what)

Giants fans outnumbered Crusaders easily - Loads behind the sticks and 50% of the crowd everywhere else.

If you had recieved 2 yellow cards, would you have thought the ref was generous towards you.


The Giants fans turned out in force, well done looked at least 1300 ish, but no way was there 2000 plus! Did you get a Hull kr calculator for christmas

Does it really matter, all I know is we took a very good following, and just goes to show the potential if we do well - thought it was a tad petty for those who sang loyal supporters etc. how are we ever going to attract more fans if those that do go get 'loyal supporter' rubbish thrown at them when they do!

I never heard that. We did sing top of the league, you're having a laugh to your players.


You must have seen the "walk" ten minutes before full time. You bought more fans than saints and bradford but they had evening kick offs.

I too was also disgusted at this. The giants fans that sang this to our own fans should take a serious look at themselves.

Not that I did, but I think people had a right to leave before the end if they wanted, it was that bad. EVERYBODY that was there yesterday were loyal supporters. It was a long trip, and I for one could have spent my money in better ways.

I would be interested to find out if any of those singing "loyal supporters" were booing the team at half time.

They weren't booing at half time and were in fact berating those who were !! ...i understand the point they were making eg why travel all that way just to leave because the team weren't playing well but anyone who travels to an away match has to be a good fan in the 1st place.

Here in Wrexham, with the Crusaders proping up the bottom of the league table, we don't have too worry about attracting band wagoners and glory hunters.

Good job....keep it that way.... we'll get served in the turf quicker then

There was plenty of booing at half time where I was sat and Im not surprised after that first half it was dire. At the end of day you pays your money etc - what I still dont understand is how the majority of the same team who beat Leeds played so badly yesterday. That performance was back to the bad old days for me. I left with 5 minutes to go because quite frankly the performance didnt warrant staying until the end. I did stay 10 minutes after the final whistle at Leeds though (credit where its due) oh that must not make me a loyal supporter sloping off early from Wrexham!.

One thing that did make me smurk was a comment from one of the more vocal sections of our support (presumably these so called 'loyal supporters') when trying to get others to join in was something like ' sing up you miserable b******s or go and support Town'.

Hopefully Tuesday will be better on all fronts!

Hopefully the fans will turn out and sing again, not call eachother names like 4 year olds.

Here chief, we've seen darker days than you. And I'm not on about SL. We're talking the JimCollins days (RIP) and before. Some of us lot have seen some right sh*te. And loved it!


Runcorn Highfield, Easter Monday, '87 or summat. If you were there you can tell me the score....

I was there.

I've no problems with people leaving early, they have payed for their seat and it helps ease traffic congestion at the end of the game for the more "loyal" fans.


The only booing I could hear was me and a few other Crusaders fans, when Ganson gave Witt the yellow.


The boo boys must have put in a lot less effort than their team because I couldn't hear them from the half way line but I did see the Hudds players managing to make a few breaks and score a try.
Witts yellow card was the straw that finaly broke the camels back, Ganson stirred up a hornets nest, the lads responded by lifted to another level and your pack payed the price.

i can understand the feeling behind that though as in the last 2 games against Wire and Leeds the fans have certainly got behind the players and IMO helped to spur them on to a great win , whereas Friday they were reluctant to give any vocal backing because the team were losing.
we've proved we can have an influence on the team with our vocals and it seemed at Leeds everybody was joining in yet a week later hardly anyone bothered.

i also acknowledge the players didnt give the fans much to sing about but at what point in games like Friday's do you stop offering support and think balls to it the players cant be bothered so why should i ?.

Your fans were a credit to your club on Friday, Easily the best bunch we've had in Wrexham so far. I really do hope you win the league this year because some of the stuff you play is magical.

Thank you and your fans were very gracious in victory too, you could easily have rubbed our noses in it but it wwas great to see the fans mixing after without so much as a crossed word.....i love Rugby League fans !!!!

I was there, is this the game where Swazza nicked Geoff thingy's wig?

there was hell on about that

is that where Fletcher threatened to shove that bugle where the sun dont shine ?? or was that later ?

48 nil chief. Deighton Woolpack won the Holliday Cup (Joe Naidole somersault try in the mix) and the fella from St Joe's won the half time goal kicking contest.

I swear to God, if Fartown had played Deighton Woolpack that day Deighton would have won. Christ, we were a good team and plenty went pro. Joe, Carlton and we had the Hawkyard twins (were they twins? the looked so alike they could be) in the pack. Billy Stephenson, Wally. They were a cracking side.

Is that the guy who got done for rape?

Moving swiftly on...

He was let out on day release for manslaughter when he played for us FYI.

Not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, not the sweetest tea in the chest. They usually aren't and I don't glorify it. But he ran like he f*cking meant it. Nature of the beast.

It's like anything else. Just because they're good at a sport doesn't make them flawless. We're all flawed. So be careful who you shine your light at. He could be an a4sehole, quality RL player or not.*

*Not that Joe is an a4sehole EOS. Suffice to say, he's done some stupid sh*t.