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| Batley match all to pay. I’ll go 10/11 attendance 1,500 or under , 10/11 over 1,500.
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| Think it will depend on what ticket prices are.
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| Sorry, I meant for the Batley game.
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| Now is the time ... ... .... ... .. .... .. ... ... .. ... ....
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| Considering we lost 500 or so paying speccies in a week from the Swinton to the Sheffield game, I am assuming season tickets are counted as attending, it is difficult to imagine that next season we will post many 2000+ attendances, coincidently it will 2years and a week since we last played Batley in the Qualifying 8's by the time this repeat fixture comes round, that for obvious reasons was our best ever attendancein the 10 years we have been at the LSV 10556, I should imagine we will be at least 8000 down on this correspinding fixture.
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| Quote: Harry Stottle "Considering we lost 500 or so paying speccies in a week from the Swinton to the Sheffield game, I am assuming season tickets are counted as attending, it is difficult to imagine that next season we will post many 2000+ attendances, coincidently it will 2years and a week since we last played Batley in the Qualifying 8's by the time this repeat fixture comes round, that for obvious reasons was our best ever attendancein the 10 years we have been at the LSV 10556, I should imagine we will be at least 8000 down on this correspinding fixture.'"
Hopefully Harry holidays will have played a part last week , but as I said " Now is the time "
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| Quote: Harry Stottle "Considering we lost 500 or so paying speccies in a week from the Swinton to the Sheffield game, I am assuming season tickets are counted as attending, it is difficult to imagine that next season we will post many 2000+ attendances, coincidently it will 2years and a week since we last played Batley in the Qualifying 8's by the time this repeat fixture comes round, that for obvious reasons was our best ever attendancein the 10 years we have been at the LSV 10556, I should imagine we will be at least 8000 down on this correspinding fixture.'"
You are full of negativity Harry.
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| Quote: atomic "You are full of negativity Harry.'"
Sorry ATOMIC, I will rephrase that post,
"I suspect against Batley with all to pay, we will in Sept 2018 be approaching our best ever attendance at the LSV, we may even top the 10556 that attended the corresponding fixture in Sept 2016, Leigh fans are expected to flock in their thousands after what is probably the most dissapointing season witnessed in living memory (well at least mine, first game in 1959 and going ever since) a season that promised so much, was hijacked as it taxied down the runway, by and in equal proportions, rank bad management, totally inept coaching, and pi55 poor player performances on the field"
Lay it all down in chronological order from the MPG to were we stand and the predicament we are in today, it should all be chronicled and entitled [iHow not to run a professional sporting organisation[/i
Get real Atomic, I will be there for the games, but it will be more out of the habit of attending for a lifetime, not in appreciation of what this shower have achieved, but there are a lot more who's personal habit of watchin Leigh is no more than 2 maybe 3 seasons old, they will take a lot more convincing to turn up for the rest of this season and next.
That negativity you accuse me of being full of, is precisely how we as a club will be moving forward, short of Sugar Daddy descending on the club, someone will have to sit and look long and hard at how we budget our resources in the immediate future, and it could well be that monies we recieve through the turnstiles will be high on the list of contributors, it has to be taken as a realisation that attendances are going to cascade down, its no good "doing the ostrich" and pretend it ain't going to happen.
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| Quote: Harry Stottle "Sorry ATOMIC, I will rephrase that post,
"I suspect against Batley with all to pay, we will in Sept 2018 be approaching our best ever attendance at the LSV, we may even top the 10556 that attended the corresponding fixture in Sept 2016, Leigh fans are expected to flock in their thousands after what is probably the most dissapointing season witnessed in living memory (well at least mine, first game in 1959 and going ever since) a season that promised so much, was hijacked as it taxied down the runway, by and in equal proportions, rank bad management, totally inept coaching, and pi55 poor player performances on the field"
Lay it all down in chronological order from the MPG to were we stand and the predicament we are in today, it should all be chronicled and entitled [iHow not to run a professional sporting organisation[/i
Get real Atomic, I will be there for the games, but it will be more out of the habit of attending for a lifetime, not in appreciation of what this shower have achieved, but there are a lot more who's personal habit of watchin Leigh is no more than 2 maybe 3 seasons old, they will take a lot more convincing to turn up for the rest of this season and next.
That negativity you accuse me of being full of, is precisely how we as a club will be moving forward, short of Sugar Daddy descending on the club, someone will have to sit and look long and hard at how we budget our resources in the immediate future, and it could well be that monies we recieve through the turnstiles will be high on the list of contributors, it has to be taken as a realisation that attendances are going to cascade down, its no good "doing the ostrich" and pretend it ain't going to happen.'"
So tell me Harry , what exactly do you want me to do ?
Run around shouting " we're DOOOMED " in my best Scottish accent like Mr Fraser ? , or just get along to the rest of the matches , encourage with reasonable enthusiasm for others to attend and see what the future will bring ?
I'll be doing the later
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| Quote: GUBRATS "So tell me Harry , what exactly do you want me to do ?
Run around shouting " we're DOOOMED " in my best Scottish accent like Mr Fraser ? , or just get along to the rest of the matches , encourage with reasonable enthusiasm for others to attend and see what the future will bring ?
I'll be doing the later'"
As I stated Gubby I will still be there, but I get the feeling reading on these pages that everything is going to be hunky dory, OK those who take time (most of them) who bother to write on these pages are already the converted, but we need to take a realistic view of the calamity we find ourselves in, as I have stated previously I have followed this club through much more "thin than thick" but I have never felt as despondent of the future as I do at this present time, we have been down many times in the past but the goalposts have changed in recent times, no money = not a lot of progress.
Am I angry, you bet I am, Mr. Beaumont has poured his heart and soul into the club but with his best intentions his decision making has been his and ultimately
Leigh's down fall, keeping both Cunningham as his player advising guru and Jukes as the coach could go down in history as the death knell of the club, and I cannot put into words what that set of overpaid prima donna's who took to the field have dobe to this proud club.
Rant over, I needed to get it of my chest, I really care about Leigh RLFC, and like a lot of others feel totally let down by the club.
You are correct, keep a positive arttitude and see what the future brings, onwards and upwards, only time will tell.
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| Harry, I agree with you 100% and don't be cowed by anybody on here. A textbook cock-up. Our money from Sky, an additional 500k from SL, plus revenue from tickets/merchandise and presumably some of Derek's own money has apparently ALL (or mostly) be blown on ONE season. A season of complete and utter failure at the end of the day, despite a valiant attempt to dig ourselves out of our own hole. Where was the contingency planning, the Plan B? Did we need to have a Grade A (on paper) squad but a Grade C coach? What has been done is simply unforgiveable. Didn't we have a smart Finance guy on the board who was keeping things under control? Whatever happened to him? And now Derek walks away, leaving us to pick up the pieces, unless he changes his mind again! In my mind, he has let us down very badly, and it's a pity that his reputation is now in tatters as I believe his heart is in the right place. However, I sincerely hope he doesn't run his business in the same manner!
As for 2,500 against Batley , I actually think you might be a little optimistic. Yes, there is a hard core of support, but how big is it? Hopefully, there will be positive developments in the next 6 months to give us all some hope of being back to sustainable, prudently run club.
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| Quote: mapleyther "Harry, I agree with you 100% and don't be cowed by anybody on here. A textbook cock-up. Our money from Sky, an additional 500k from SL, plus revenue from tickets/merchandise and presumably some of Derek's own money has apparently ALL (or mostly) be blown on ONE season. A season of complete and utter failure at the end of the day, despite a valiant attempt to dig ourselves out of our own hole. Where was the contingency planning, the Plan B? Did we need to have a Grade A (on paper) squad but a Grade C coach? What has been done is simply unforgiveable. Didn't we have a smart Finance guy on the board who was keeping things under control? Whatever happened to him? And now Derek walks away, leaving us to pick up the pieces, unless he changes his mind again! In my mind, he has let us down very badly, and it's a pity that his reputation is now in tatters as I believe his heart is in the right place. However, I sincerely hope he doesn't run his business in the same manner!
As for 2,500 against Batley , I actually think you might be a little optimistic. Yes, there is a hard core of support, but how big is it? Hopefully, there will be positive developments in the next 6 months to give us all some hope of being back to sustainable, prudently run club.'"
Reputation in tatters ? , nope , everybody makes decisions in good faith ' sometimes they work , sometimes they don't , thats the way it is
He obviously doesn't run his business the same way or he wouldn't have had the money to put in , if he ran the club in the same way as his business , he wouldn't be involved with the club , simple as
Ultimately if our ' core ' fan base is less than 2,500 we don't deserve SL , and ' prudence ' is fine , but boring and rarely if ever achieves anything , certainly in sport
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| Quote: GUBRATS "Reputation in tatters ? , nope , everybody makes decisions in good faith ' sometimes they work , sometimes they don't , thats the way it is
He obviously doesn't run his business the same way or he wouldn't have had the money to put in , if he ran the club in the same way as his business , he wouldn't be involved with the club , simple as
Ultimately if our ' core ' fan base is less than 2,500 we don't deserve SL , and ' prudence ' is fine , but boring and rarely if ever achieves anything , certainly in sport'"
I don't think his reputation is in tatters, the selection of his immediate managerial staff has been his downfall, that and not having the abillity to sense that those appointments were not in the best interests of the rugby club and not having either the sense or the dangly bits to make the nessacary adjustments.
As for prudence, are you an all eggs in one basket kind of guy Gubby, do you throw everything at any one thing in particular, or do you measure your assests with contingencies, like savings or insurance or pension for when the time comes that you need to call on them, those things may be boring but they are essential if you want to continue to enjoy life.
As Maple Leyther said, where was the financial guru to pull the reigns in, or was he just a cashier who held the purse and gave the contents over till the purse was empty?
So, what do you think our 'core supporter' numbers are?, I suspect we have both been regulars through the bad times of around just over the four figure mark, our season in SL said we averaged 6,500, from that figure I doubt the away following exceeded an average of 1,500 that would have given us over 5,000 of our own, last week yielded 3,100, will that be about our average after this season is completed? Whatever it is the trend is the Leigh public are deserting, that trend needs addressing, it is not the people on this site that need convincing to stay it is those who have doubts, the club needs to spend some money to target those people............................... hang on a mo, we've no money it all went in fell swoop, no contingencies!
PS, I don't know you Gubby, I have an idea who you may be from other posts you have made on this and another site, you have indicated that you were once in an officious position within the club, maybe at board level? If I have got that correct would you have taken the same path as we ventured on this season?
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