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Roughly around 1 hour 19 minute mark

Derek on talking about coach, games etc

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Seen a tweet on this with him saying no top 4 its not viable for him to stay with only a 200 thousand payment with the contracts they are paying , lools like top 4 is gone so that means he's probably gonna go

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It makes pretty grim listening. Finding it difficult to attract a strong coach, in our current situation, and is looking to strengthen the squad. Apparently, Lilley got injured at 'Fax too!

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This is precisely what is so flawed about this setup. How can you possibly arrange a squad and run to a budget when you have no idea what your levels of income will be in 12 months time? It's ridiculous.
Leigh have perhaps run on the assumption that they would finish in the top 4 and secure a certain level of funding. I don't think that is an unreasonable assumption.
Contracts will have been offered to players on the back of this assumption no doubt.
So if top 4 doesn't happen, the income won't be there and the budget falls apart.

What happens then?

Proof if you ever needed it that the powers at the top - with their nice, stable yearly income - don't give a damn about those in the leagues below.

I hope you guys are ok going forward, as a Bulls fan I know only too well how bad it can get and wouldn't wish it on any other club.

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Quote: Martsmiff "Seen a tweet on this with him saying no top 4 its not viable for him to stay with only a 200 thousand payment with the contracts they are paying , lools like top 4 is gone so that means he's probably gonna go'"


He doesn't say "its not viable for him to stay".. What he's saying, is do the numbers. So lets do the numbers for this season so far. The figures below are all pure speculation but based on some factual quotes.

Basic Outgoings: 2018

Squad: 26 players, average wage £50k = £1.3m
Club per season: £700k

£2m to run the club in 2018.

Basic Incomings: 2018

Central Funding: £800k
Parachute Payment: £500k
Attendance so far 20k: Average £13 per ticket = £260k
Sponcership/Merchandise: Anyones guess but lets keep reasonable = £400k

Around £2m on incomings so far.

Although yes, £1.3m to £200k would be a devastating loss. I still fail to see just what personal investment has been made this season. The figures show its self-sufficient at present and actually on its way to making a profit.

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Grim listening, but hardly surprising. We're in a dire situation if we don't make the top 4 and nobody wants to be our coach.

To be honest, all the talk about how we can still make the top 4 is all well and good, but it may be wise to start planning for a transition to part time team. Question is, will there be any money to make this transition? Hopefully some of players on 2 year contracts can find other clubs and the TSY program can continue to get the sponsorship backing to keep reserves running.

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Well said Gary Schofield at the end of that feature on Leigh. What he said regarding the players taking responsibility for their performances so far, and how it is affecting both Derek and the Leigh fans is spot on. The players have to take full responsibility for the results so far and prove that they are worthy of, not just of their reputations as NRL and SL players, but worthy to wear the Leigh shirt and realise how important this Club is to the whole town.

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Quote: atomic "He doesn't say "its not viable for him to stay".. What he's saying, is do the numbers. So lets do the numbers for this season so far. The figures below are all pure speculation but based on some factual quotes.

Basic Outgoings: 2018

Squad: 26 players, average wage £50k

I get what you are saying , but reading between the lines we know what he's saying

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Quote: ItchyandScratchy "Well said Gary Schofield at the end of that feature on Leigh. What he said regarding the players taking responsibility for their performances so far, and how it is affecting both Derek and the Leigh fans is spot on. The players have to take full responsibility for the results so far and prove that they are worthy of, not just of their reputations as NRL and SL players, but worthy to wear the Leigh shirt and realise how important this Club is to the whole town.'"


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Says what he thinks about purtill when he says we've nobody to drive the bus since the bus driver left..thought the bus driver left half way through last season looking at the results then as well as this season's

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Quote: gunners guns13 "Says what he thinks about purtill when he says we've nobody to drive the bus since the bus driver left..thought the bus driver left half way through last season looking at the results then as well as this season's'"


It's a shame the bus driver exiled his best conductor off to Huddersfield last season...

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DB AKA Mr. Contradiction. Found wanting under pressure after making poor decisions. Talks about Jukes needing 5-10 years under a SL coach 2 weeks ago on Radio Manchester and now he's knocking him for resigning too early, and gives him a job. Why did he give him the head coach job in the first place? 100% responsibility with DB all this nonsense, he knows it, but rarely admits it.

Nobody Wants the coaching Job, AKA I'm not paying enough. Well sod that and get Cunningham to sort this mess out with Purtill #2 - BUT GET ON WITH IT. And he's said to the players it's OK if they don't win this weekend at Batley? Pathetic. Stop moaning, stop talking negatively and start leading - carrot and stick if you have to. The Challenge Cup is a great opportunity to get some swagger back via a good win.

Because DB shows such bipolarity on a weekly basis, is he really the man for the long term at Leigh RL? Should he exit like Koukash did at Salford by the end of the year?

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Quote: LeythIg "It's a shame the bus driver exiled his best conductor off to Huddersfield last season...'"


That seems to have been the whole turning point of getting demoted and our current situation , may not have been up to super league speed as a runner but he organised the team and we looked a far better with him than without him.

Maybe it is time for DB to go and to completely rebuild , if hes a backer then back them , if hes a business man looking for a profit to jump on the SL gravy train then it just didn't work out , but to have him sounding off and hinting at walking then im sure thats a big part of the unrest, he gave it his all but it didn't work out .

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Quote: doc999 "That seems to have been the whole turning point of getting demoted and our current situation , may not have been up to super league speed as a runner but he organised the team and we looked a far better with him than without him.

Maybe it is time for DB to go and to completely rebuild , if hes a backer then back them , if hes a business man looking for a profit to jump on the SL gravy train then it just didn't work out , but to have him sounding off and hinting at walking then im sure thats a big part of the unrest, he gave it his all but it didn't work out .'"


How do you completely rebuild? By my estimation the Club would have a shortfall of £500k before we even started 2019 season. Without some serious investment in 2019, could see the end of the Club.

You can't afford to go to SL get relegated and not make it back to SL the season after. Thats what the parachute payment of £500k was put in place to prevent. The bar is set very high,we are back to SL or nowt.

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