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| Quote: Leyther14 "Am sure Derek didn’t what to end up here, another win and we would be playing for a super league place. Fine margins this year and last Question is does this kind of personal ashault on an investor in RL help us or encourage anyone to invest in RL.'"
Agree 100% Leyther 14,about fine margins ,the same can be said of Fev another win and they would be playing for a SL place, one lose and Fax wouldn't have been there,all ifs ands ,and buts,again I'm sure DB didn't want to end up here, but we have,and have to carry on.
The composition is not Noisys writing ,it's just in his column,a lot of Journalists,do this,as was stated though the Parachute payment was just that, but how was it used?Totally dismantle a decent team, maybe some didn't want to play in the Championship, but a fair few would have stayed given the chance to do so , but DB and KC had other ideas.
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| Quote: Alan "Whilst I am definitely of the opinion that we should have retained some of last season's squad, I wonder how many of them would have wanted to stay, to play in the Championship?
Also, the GMB guy suggests that the ultimate sanction the players possess, would be to 'secure their wages through the UK courts.' However, if the club is liquidated, as a result of not being able to fulfil its financial commitments, just how much of those wages would the players get?'"
That stuck out like a sore thumb - players pursuing 'full wages' would be a cast iron way to force administration and put themselves at the back of the queue for any debt payouts.
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| Off course it would, like that nob from the trade unions doesn't already know this, he is one of those little nobodies that if you put in a suit thinks that he is important and peopke can't see through him, perhaps if his tactics go belly up and the players are left with nothing he will over-write their losses.
The only truth in all of this is it is those and other players who have already departed are the main reason we are in this sorry mess, to all those who say it is Beaumont's fault, throughout this season DJB never knocked on once, he never missed a tackle, he didn't keep hold when he should have passed, he didn't walk about the field looking half interested, he didn't excecute nothing kicks to the opposition, he didn't get sent off and suspended, what he did do was give these guy's a job and pay them well with good money for the following year, they chose to wipe their ariss on the Leigh shirt, that is were the blame lies not the guy putting his trust and the fans of the club in our town in them.
If they have to leave with nothing so be it, they are responsible for pressing their own self destruct button.
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| It's not the fault of the majority of players left behind, the over paid players have sorted themselves out whilst Beaumont is shafting those players on ordinary money who have bills to pay. I know that the majority of these lads would not push for money past the end of the year however he's trying to get out of paying in November and he's already refusing to pay any promised win bonuses, the union is doing what it does , looking after its members from unscrupulous incompetent employers.
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| Quote: Harry Stottle "Off course it would, like that nob from the trade unions doesn't already know this, he is one of those little nobodies that if you put in a suit thinks that he is important and peopke can't see through him, perhaps if his tactics go belly up and the players are left with nothing he will overright their losses.
The only truth in all of this is it is those and other players who have already departed are the main reason we are in this sorry mess, to all those who say it is Beaumont's fault, throughout this season DJB never knocked on once, he never missed a tackle, he didn't keep hold when he should have passed, he didn't walk about the field looking half interested, he didn't excecute nothing kicks to the opposition, he didn't get sent off and suspended, what he did do was give these guy's a job and pay them well with good money for the following year, they chose to wipe their ariss on the Leigh shirt, that is were the blame lies not the guy putting his trust and the fans of the club in our town in them.
If they have to leave with nothing so be it, they are responsible for pressing their own self destruct button.'"
Conversely, he didn't have the courage to dispatch Jukes post relegation. Perhaps he came cheap.
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| Quote: Hanibal "It's not the fault of the majority of players left behind, the over paid players have sorted themselves out whilst Beaumont is shafting those players on ordinary money who have bills to pay. I know that the majority of these lads would not push for money past the end of the year however he's trying to get out of paying in November and he's already refusing to pay any promised win bonuses, the union is doing what it does , looking after its members from unscrupulous incompetent employers.'"
Not an ideal situation and a difficult time for all, however what do you suggest he pays you with
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| The money that he was going to use if we made top four, 1.2 million plus approx 1 mill gate fees plus remaining match gate fees, this team is winning it's games and attracting 3 to 4 thousand loyal speccys, plus transfer fees for several of the senior players, plus any money Beaumont has loaned (not given) to the club, the money should be in Leigh's bank account including all wages already saved, it's not Beaumont's to dip into as he sees fit and bully young lads by threatening to call in his loans and sink the club.
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| Quote: Hanibal "The money that he was going to use if we made top four, 1.2 million plus approx 1 mill gate fees plus remaining match gate fees, this team is winning it's games and attracting 3 to 4 thousand loyal speccys, plus transfer fees for several of the senior players, plus any money Beaumont has loaned (not given) to the club, the money should be in Leigh's bank account including all wages already saved, it's not Beaumont's to dip into as he sees fit and bully young lads by threatening to call in his loans and sink the club.'"
Strong words and views Hanibal,obviously you are entitled to your opinions and from what you inferr you know more than most.
Myself I'm not sure if money was loaned or given to the Club, I would hope it was given,as for bullying the young lads,I would have thought they should be praised for turning in such good performances in the light of the difficult times.
The blame finger has to be pointed at the players firstly,as stated DB didn't miss the tackles , give the penalties away or get suspended, but he DID promise to pay the contract money and now can't, I again would hope he doesn't threaten to sink the Club, after all he says he loves the Club ,so all we as fans can do at the moment is wonder.Myself I will be at Fev on Sunday cheering on the 17 lads that wear the shirt.
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| Quote: Harry Stottle "Off course it would, like that nob from the trade unions doesn't already know this, he is one of those little nobodies that if you put in a suit thinks that he is important and peopke can't see through him, perhaps if his tactics go belly up and the players are left with nothing he will overright their losses.
The only truth in all of this is it is those and other players who have already departed are the main reason we are in this sorry mess, to all those who say it is Beaumont's fault, throughout this season DJB never knocked on once, he never missed a tackle, he didn't keep hold when he should have passed, he didn't walk about the field looking half interested, he didn't excecute nothing kicks to the opposition, he didn't get sent off and suspended, what he did do was give these guy's a job and pay them well with good money for the following year, they chose to wipe their ariss on the Leigh shirt, that is were the blame lies not the guy putting his trust and the fans of the club in our town in them.
If they have to leave with nothing so be it, they are responsible for pressing their own self destruct button.'"
Overall I agree with your point Harry , I do believe Derek wouldn't be doing this unless he had no other option
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| Quote: Hanibal "It's not the fault of the majority of players left behind, the over paid players have sorted themselves out whilst Beaumont is shafting those players on ordinary money who have bills to pay. I know that the majority of these lads would not push for money past the end of the year however he's trying to get out of paying in November and he's already refusing to pay any promised win bonuses, the union is doing what it does , looking after its members from unscrupulous incompetent employers.'"
No it probably isn't , and since the ' cull ' they've put in very enthusiastic performances which I thank them for
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| I will be there as well this squad is worth following and supporting the last game of qualifiers against Sheffield was the best atmosphere all year bar none, the players were buzzing only to find their wages cut. Last rant for now could go on but promise not to.
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| Quote: Hanibal "I will be there as well this squad is worth following and supporting the last game of qualifiers against Sheffield was the best atmosphere all year bar none, the players were buzzing only to find their wages cut. Last rant for now could go on but promise not to.'"
I don't regard your posts as a rant Hanibal,as I said you are the same as us all entitled to a opinion,I respect all of them.Again I hadn't heard about the wages cut you refer to,a bit wrong after a couple of good results and performances.
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| Quote: Centurino "Conversely, he didn't have the courage to dispatch Jukes post relegation. Perhaps he came cheap.'"
I won't disagree with that Centurino nor his faith in Kieron Cunningham either both in my opinion bad moves on Beaumont's part.
But whatever the reason it was up to those players to earn the money they were payed for, if you consider they really tried I will argue the opposite with you forever, with your hand on heart tell me i am wrong in particular the games against TWP 1st up at home, Barrow away, Tolouse home and the finest of the lot Halifax away, then even at the end of the season in two of the last 3 games when points differance still mattered the bottom 2 clubs shipped nearly 60 points in against us!
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| Quote: Harry Stottle "I won't disagree with that Centurino nor his faith in Kieron Cunningham either both in my opinion bad moves on Beaumont's part.
But whatever the reason it was up to those players to earn the money they were payed for, if you consider they really tried I will argue the opposite with you forever, with your hand on heart tell me i am wrong in particular the games against TWP 1st up at home, Barrow away, Tolouse home and the finest of the lot Halifax away, then even at the end of the season in two of the last 3 games when points differance still mattered the bottom 2 clubs shipped nearly 60 points in against us!'"
I was at The Shay for the Fax v Leigh game. Before the match I had a discussion with some Leigh lads which went along the lines of my team is worse than your team, we both expected to get well beaten. As we all know it turned out to be a fairly comfortable win for Fax. After this game both teams improved as the season went on, and it proved Fax had got Leigh at just the right time. The point being it was much the same lads playing for your club post Fax as to who turned in such a shambolic display at The Shay. Summat was wrong and no way did your 17 that day put in 100%. Saying that and one decision here or there and you would have made top four. Fine lines indeed.
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| We know what was wrong, the coach who said to his playing staff "im out of my depth and don't know how to fix it" got to control who we did & didn't sign and was kept in a job 12 months too long.
No more no less.
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