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Quote ="Tyldesley NO1 Leyther"There is no evidence that ticketless fans caused the deaths that day. Not a bit. There are reams and reams of documents and evidence that the authorities, Sheffield Council, Sheffield Wednesday and the police are culpable for the deaths of 96 innocent people. Despite this, successive governments have failed to address the problems, and the families are left with no true thorough independent enquiry which apportioned responsibility and subsuqent action. Not a single lost job, not a single penny in lost wages. But plenty of compensation for traumatised police officers. Andy Burnham is a member of a government that has shown no interest in the issue until with the 20 year anniversary and public pressure they suddenly decided to act
Not a surprise to see Mancs popping up on here to have digs at Liverpool
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Not even in Lord Justice Taylors report?
Quote ="Lord Justice Taylor"One problem which creates difficulties for the police is the arrival of would-be spectators without tickets at an all-ticket match. Although I found there was not a large body of such fans at Hillsborough there undoubtedly were some. At other matches the numbers have not only been large; they have been determined to gain entrance by one means or another. If they could not acquire tickets at the ground they have created so much trouble that the police have judged it best to let them in. Sometimes this has been for payment; on occasions, even free. The rationale has been that it is better to have troublemakers inside the ground where they can be monitored than roaming round the town at large. Obviously, the practice of admitting fans without tickets has a bad knock-on effect. Bands of fans unable to get tickets believe that if they turn up and create sufficient clamour the police will admit them.'"
As people have posted ticketless fans were the norm in the 80's and to think that an FA cup semi final wouldn't have attracted any is just being nieve. The poblem with the Leppings lane end was once you approched the turnstyle ticket or no ticket you weren't getting back out because of the bottle necked entrance.
The interim and final report can be found here
www.southyorks.police.uk/foi/pub ... icinterest
If you also read page three of the document you'll find that the police officers were due to recive compenstion claim against the chief constable but after reveiw the of the House of Lords found in favour of the chief constables and no compensation was paid. Yet £23m has been paid out in claims from fans that day with two reciveing over £1m the rest shared between 1500 other claims. |
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Quote ="Tyldesley NO1 Leyther"There is no evidence that ticketless fans caused the deaths that day. Not a bit. There are reams and reams of documents and evidence that the authorities, Sheffield Council, Sheffield Wednesday and the police are culpable for the deaths of 96 innocent people. Despite this, successive governments have failed to address the problems, and the families are left with no true thorough independent enquiry which apportioned responsibility and subsuqent action. Not a single lost job, not a single penny in lost wages. But plenty of compensation for traumatised police officers. Andy Burnham is a member of a government that has shown no interest in the issue until with the 20 year anniversary and public pressure they suddenly decided to act
Not a surprise to see Mancs popping up on here to have digs at Liverpool
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Not even in Lord Justice Taylors report?
Quote ="Lord Justice Taylor"One problem which creates difficulties for the police is the arrival of would-be spectators without tickets at an all-ticket match. Although I found there was not a large body of such fans at Hillsborough there undoubtedly were some. At other matches the numbers have not only been large; they have been determined to gain entrance by one means or another. If they could not acquire tickets at the ground they have created so much trouble that the police have judged it best to let them in. Sometimes this has been for payment; on occasions, even free. The rationale has been that it is better to have troublemakers inside the ground where they can be monitored than roaming round the town at large. Obviously, the practice of admitting fans without tickets has a bad knock-on effect. Bands of fans unable to get tickets believe that if they turn up and create sufficient clamour the police will admit them.'"
As people have posted ticketless fans were the norm in the 80's and to think that an FA cup semi final wouldn't have attracted any is just being nieve. The poblem with the Leppings lane end was once you approched the turnstyle ticket or no ticket you weren't getting back out because of the bottle necked entrance.
The interim and final report can be found here
www.southyorks.police.uk/foi/pub ... icinterest
If you also read page three of the document you'll find that the police officers were due to recive compenstion claim against the chief constable but after reveiw the of the House of Lords found in favour of the chief constables and no compensation was paid. Yet £23m has been paid out in claims from fans that day with two reciveing over £1m the rest shared between 1500 other claims. | |
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Quote ="mutt1"Not even in Lord Justice Taylors report?
As people have posted ticketless fans were the norm in the 80's and to think that an FA cup semi final wouldn't have attracted any is just being nieve. The poblem with the Leppings lane end was once you approched the turnstyle ticket or no ticket you weren't getting back out because of the bottle necked entrance.
The interim and final report can be found here
www.southyorks.police.uk/foi/pub ... icinterest
If you also read page three of the document you'll find that the police officers were due to recive compenstion claim against the chief constable but after reveiw the of the House of Lords found in favour of the chief constables and no compensation was paid. Yet £23m has been paid out in claims from fans that day with two reciveing over £1m the rest shared between 1500 other claims.'"
Of course there were ticketless fans there but Tyldesley NO1 Leyther is right - there is no evidence that ticketless fans caused the deaths that day. Your quote from the Taylor report does nothing to contradict that.
As for compensation, some police officers were denied the right to sue for damages but plenty more received payments.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1197720.stm
www.independent.co.uk/news/hills ... 89055.html |
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Quote ="mutt1"Not even in Lord Justice Taylors report?
As people have posted ticketless fans were the norm in the 80's and to think that an FA cup semi final wouldn't have attracted any is just being nieve. The poblem with the Leppings lane end was once you approched the turnstyle ticket or no ticket you weren't getting back out because of the bottle necked entrance.
The interim and final report can be found here
www.southyorks.police.uk/foi/pub ... icinterest
If you also read page three of the document you'll find that the police officers were due to recive compenstion claim against the chief constable but after reveiw the of the House of Lords found in favour of the chief constables and no compensation was paid. Yet £23m has been paid out in claims from fans that day with two reciveing over £1m the rest shared between 1500 other claims.'"
Of course there were ticketless fans there but Tyldesley NO1 Leyther is right - there is no evidence that ticketless fans caused the deaths that day. Your quote from the Taylor report does nothing to contradict that.
As for compensation, some police officers were denied the right to sue for damages but plenty more received payments.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1197720.stm
www.independent.co.uk/news/hills ... 89055.html | |
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| Quote ="Wembley71"Hillsborough wasn't just a disaster waiting to happen, it was a repeat of disasters past with no lessons learned. 33 died at Bolton in 1946 at an FA Cup game. Lots of those killed were from Leyth, Bent and Bongs. .'"
Excuse my scouse naivety but Bent and Bongs????? |
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| Quote ="mr. chairman"well we can all be thankful knowing this will never happen at the lsv , thanks to the taylor report grounds are safer than they have ever been'"
And we'll never fill the ground |
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| Quote ="trainee_lobbygobbler"Excuse my scouse naivety but Bent and Bongs?????'"
Atherton and Tyldesley |
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| Quote ="RealCherry&Whites"Atherton and Tyldesley'"
Cheers RC&W, is there a reason why they are called that? |
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| Quote ="trainee_lobbygobbler"Cheers RC&W, is there a reason why they are called that?'"
[url=http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Atherton/index.htmlHeres why Atherton is bent[/url
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| Quote ="leyther forever"[url=http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Atherton/index.htmlHeres why Atherton is bent[/url
[url=http://wapedia.mobi/en/Tyldesleyand Tyldesley is bongs[/url'"
Now i know, cheers guys.... |
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| Quote ="Tyldesley NO1 Leyther"
Not a surprise to see Mancs popping up on here to have digs at Liverpool
'" Well some of us are doing the exact opposite.
There for the grace and all that... |
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| Quote ="leyther forever"[url=http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Atherton/index.htmlHeres why Atherton is bent[/url
[url=http://wapedia.mobi/en/Tyldesleyand Tyldesley is bongs[/url'"
Thanks for that, I've just been reading "Pies and Predjudice" by Stuart Maconie and he mentions that he's never known why they were known as that, and I realised then that I didn't either |
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| Quote ="Scooter Nik"Thanks for that, I've just been reading "Pies and Predjudice" by Stuart Maconie and he mentions that he's never known why they were known as that, and I realised then that I didn't either'"
TBH I didnt and so when the question was asked I thought I would educate myself and then share my new found knowledge with the masses  |
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Ahh but Leigh is known thus because?
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Not a clue Frederico
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| Quote ="FredParky"Ahh but Leigh is known thus because?'"
Is it from the time when the state of Westleyth declared Independance from the known universe and the surrounding minor parishes who then tinkered with the name and came up with the Leigh tag ?  |
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| Quote ="FredParky"Ahh but Leigh is known thus because?'"
It comes from an "Old English" word that means meadow/pasture. |
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| Quote ="RealCherry&Whites":aqoayel6It comes from an "Old English" word that means meadow/pasture.'" |
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