Confucius actually wrote - "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime."

Taking this to its core meaning, if we can bring up kids with an inbuilt passion for Leigh RL we will have them for life (like me and Maurice watching with our free tickets from XII Apostles when we were 9).

How we do this is moot......

It seems to me there are too many short term issues to fix before we start thinking about who owns/ how the club is structured etc etc. We are still in survival mode unfortunatley.

We can have a CT, ST or whatever, but if it means arguing over who owns Jimmy Ledgard's beer mat, then its pretty pointless.

Short term got fixed months ago , survival depends on how you plan the future , no ' plan ' , no future

Yes it was mentioned in the meeting, and a very good job she did as well (though I'm not sure which of the 7 men in the PSG you'd expect to do the face painting).





Unless you mean me, then unfortunately for one I can't face paint and for two, my pre match routine is setting up the radio.

Why , is face painting considered womens only work mish ?

Maybe you are nearer the crux of the matter than you think

We dont need a ' think tank ' that comes up with idea's for others to do , we need ' dooer's ' who are willing to get their hands dirty and ' do '

I asked this question as since it was all resolved at our last LISA meeting we have not yet been asked to any board meeting , however there is being a code of conduct being written for all directors to adhere to including LISA so once in place we will be taking up the shareloding and the board representation.

And you've hit the nail on the head there Steve.



Think tanks are OK in their place but we need people who will actually take their time to do things (Let's just forget about you saying you came up with the idea of getting a database together then expecting others to go out and do it shall we?).

I can't speak for other groups but at the Tues morn PSG, we have Alan who does the programmes/communication, John who does the Junior Centurions, Eric and Mike who take care of the accounts, myself and Pete who do the radio/communication and Richie and Trevor (god knows what they do).



Then there's the NSFG who are all doing a fantastic job in organising things for match day.

So who is this 'think tank' you refer to?

Just for the record, the PSG doesn't sit around dreaming up wild ideas for the club.

This might have been the case in the early pre-season meetings, when ideas were thrown around but it's certainly not the case now. Each member merely briefs the others on what happened during the previous week, for instance Alan will talk about programme sales, any problems he had with articles, advertising etc and each member gets their turn to talk about their area of interest.

It's more like a de-brief, where the different sections all come together to report on their progress. We do not make decisions about anything regarding the club.

How we do this is moot......'"

Right, despite Michelle's valiant defence of 'professional' volunteers from the PSG 'Think Tank' , I'll come clean and admit I wouldn't want to upset my pre-match routine. Having spent up to 30 hours of the week trying to put a programme together, (and have you noticed how many home games we are getting? Just look at June for instance!) I feel that I do want to sit back and enjoy the build up to the game. I don't feel in the least bit guilty about that, as I feel I've done my bit. Mind you, I can think of one or two faces I would just love to 'paint'!

Steve, if you were at the last Forum, and listened to the Finances presentation, I would suggest that the 'short-term' has not yet been fixed at all, and isn't likely to be until the end of the year.

I suppose it depends on your definition of 'short-term', but the problems we were facing then haven't exactly gone away, and are still being addressed.

Sure, we must look to the future, but we daren't take our eyes off the immediate future.

Alan, I took Steve's post to mean we sorted the Tax bills with the RFL money, took running/playing cost out and improved our retained revenue with LSV co. Which meant with projected income we would be at x come year/season end.
We have overdraft facilities at the bank guaranteed by certain Shareholders, and that AT paid up his overdraft guarantee. We don't know if the business plan means taking away the overdraft guarantees in place or if these will be treated as Director loans and never be expected back.
The immediate future is almost set. We know our fixtures, we excluded the CC run, NRC finals and play offs from our revenue forecasts so must achieve projected income and keep the cost controls in place.
It will be unlikely that we can maintain our playing cost base next year, imo, and hence we need to be preparing strategies now.
As I have said for many years a ST structured to our needs is the way forward, again imho, because we should budget for a shortfall and have that shortfall covered if/when its needed. I believe our costs will go up £150-200k next year, £90k from RFL means we need to create £60-110k from shareholders/stakeholders/Directors.

we also get 3 extra home games next year

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The short term or immediate future is in the hands of the players now, I dont see what the administration can do apart from ' Door knocking ' at sponsors and general ' rich people ' , unfortunatly our club has a long history of short termism, thats why we are in the predicament we find ourselves

No , its simple

For some reason the quote function isnt working

You mentioned marketing and community

What marketing? , have we ever done any? , have we ever had a marketing budget?

As for the community, it has been neglected since we left Hilton Park, support it properly, challenge it, give it the tools to do the job and you get results

Steve can I just ask how you know this, or are you just 'assuming' again, going off what previous administrations did?

It would help when you make accusations like this, if you came up with some solid facts to back up your claims.

And I am not belittling anybodies efforts above, you are all passionate about your particular forte, would you be as passionate if you were told to swap jobs? So in effect you are proving my case for me, horses for courses and all that, we have a request for volunteers partly for an event 5 days away and to form an ' event team ' , we used to have an ' event team ' , it tended to comprise Hannah,Heather quite often ably supported by Gill and Diana

Sorry mish, you are losing me again which bit am I making up? What accusations? , that we dont plan long term?

Yes, you quite clearly state that Leigh have always suffered from 'short termism', and imply that because of this, the current board must also suffer from this affliction. I was simply asking you how do you know they aren't making long term plans?

In fact I would suggest that the opposite is true and that whilst trying to balance the books for this season is the main priority, there is definitely a long term strategy in place.

I'll bow to your superior knowledge, and look forward to a bright future for the club , it'll be interesting to see how they will achieve it, maybe a Supporters Trust as I first suggested in the O/P, a bit like Barcelona

Jeez a few days out from here and the world appears to have gone mad!! Here's what I reckon will happen

1) present regime will run club for next 2 years
2) Rfl in that time period will revert back to P&R
3) someone with money will get involved with club via current set up
4) he/she will take over
5) cross roads we go on to have great times/ or go tits up
6) repeat steps 1-5!!

- or the club will read the whole of this thread and think "Why the f**k should we bother?" the fans are squabbling, then what's the point ?? ... And it seems to me that Maurice is trying to push his £1000 shareholders scheme again. It hasn't happened before, and won't this time. There isn't the cash, there Mo .... You may have it, but most of us don't ....

I am a little out of the Leigh RL loop these days, in fact my only real connection is coming on here and catching up every day.
However as someone heavily involved in a ST in another sport, and one that has raised over £1.6M in community shares towards funds to build a ground to play in, I am wondering why people think it won't work at Leigh RL?
For the record, at the the moment, I don't think it would work at Leigh, and I am only taking this forum as a barometer, then there aren't enough fans behind it for one reason or another.But my question is, to the people who aren't into this idea, why?