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| Quote: sendhimoffref "what is correct?'"
I would certainly like to know what is correct and what isn't? The buck is being passed all the time, we haven't heard a word from our Chairman, Mike Latham, I wonder WHY?What is happening?Questions need to be answered.
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| Quote: sendhimoffref "what is correct?'"
Montys stab in the dark comments
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| Quote: EVO105 "Montys stab in the dark comments'"
i'm not being funny evo,but you just sound like you know something.If you quote monty as incorrect and a stab in the dark, maybe you know for real whats gone on.
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| Quote: sendhimoffref "i'm not being funny evo,but you just sound like you know something.If you quote monty as incorrect and a stab in the dark, maybe you know for real whats gone on.'"
I won't break confidence but will point out something I know is wrong. We need the season to end so we can regroup
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| It’s not wrong evo he was defence and attack coach until jukes got sacked and purts come in and told him to sling it
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| Quote: Montyburns "It’s not wrong evo he was defence and attack coach until jukes got sacked and purts come in and told him to sling it'"
Many hat then was KC tasked with, are you saying no one else was responsible for recruitment and coaching ?
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| Quote: EVO105 "Many hat then was KC tasked with, are you saying no one else was responsible for recruitment and coaching ?'"
I'd like to know who was responsible for what?I suppose Derek provided the Finance for the players, we were told KC was responsible for player recruitment, and Juksey was Coach, however it is now being suggested that KC was also in charge of Defence and Attack coaching, if so what was Jukesys job.
For me they are all to blame at some point.When will we find out ?
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| Quote: charlie caroli "I'd like to know who was responsible for what?I suppose Derek provided the Finance for the players, we were told KC was responsible for player recruitment, and Juksey was Coach, however it is now being suggested that KC was also in charge of Defence and Attack coaching, if so what was Jukesys job.
For me they are all to blame at some point.When will we find out ?'"
Agree with all, some people find it easy to blame KC for everything
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| Quote: EVO105 "Agree with all, some people find it easy to blame KC for everything'"
Don't know if He was to blame or not but when he came in halfway through our superleague campaign but we started to go down hill not long after then more or less a full squad was got rid off and replaced and that group of players were terrible until purtill took control and kept Cunningham at arms length,so u can understand why people blame him because before he came in.. under JUKSEY we played attacking rugby but suddenly juksey started to say we need to get in the arm wrestle and play 5 drives and a kick.It just seems all this started when Cunningham came in and look at the rugby saints played when he was in charge there
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| Gunners I know for a fact that he was in charge I’m not getting into a argument on here with some folk about it people can keep going with the blame jukes tinted glasses on but to be fair it was his fault for not standing up to KC and tell him to stay away from the team
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| Quote: charlie caroli "Kirky I can't disagree with most of your post,myself I'm disappointed yes,annoyed yes, and hurting, I feel let down as well.As you rightly say those first 6 games defined the rest of our season,the Barrow away defeat should have been Jukesys swansong ,DB has to take the blame for not showing him the door,I'm a betting man and before a ball was kicked at the start of the season,Leigh were 2/ 7 to finish top of the League,in other words near certain.
After games against Toronto Barrow, Toulouse, Fev ,were we lost and threw away decent leads ,the damage had been done,again you rightly point out how we became the form team later ,after the Fax debacle,losing only to Toronto twice.
I WAS very happy with the recruiting of players for this season,and even understood DBS gamble of giving them 2 year contracts,but things started to go wrong, Baptiste wasn't happy,and went home, Vaivai was injured for the season,the Riddy saga wasn't good for us,eventually Jukesy was shown the door,Blackpool wasn't good, the Matautia sin binning cost us, then the goal at the end which wasn't a goal,and Matautia sent off at Fev,all downers,coupled with Fax ,Toulouse and London all playing great rugby.
The rest of the season is now history, like most Leythers I'm hurting, looking for someone to blame, it's human nature,I won't desert the Club though,and will be at Fev on Sunday, I'm hopeful things will get sorted and hope we don't go into administration.Will things get worse?I hope not ,but they probably will.Charlie.
Thats the spirit Charlie,unfortunately i wont be at Fev on Sunday im off on my Hols tomorrow to Spain, Tossa would you believe , perhaps i might bump into Parker & Lockwood two well know T+++ers
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| Quote: Binosh "We know what was wrong, the coach who said to his playing staff "im out of my depth and don't know how to fix it" got to control who we did & didn't sign and was kept in a job 12 months too long.
No more no less.'"
That is a statement in quotation, when did Jukes speak these words & where is the proof, if there isn't any then it is slander !
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| My 2 pennies *whether you like them or not* .....
1. Jukes was not up to the task ( though I concede & thank him for the 2016 season )
2. Beaumonts brief/target/goals set to Jukes to win the MPG/Survive was & is a defeatist target & unacceptable, you set a target of top 8 & then & only then if you fail, your next target is 9th, that is the mindset of a winner !
3. KC was money wasted & did not work. Why not sack Jukes & go big, get the best Head Coach possible * HullKR/Sheens*, you then pay that Head Coach what you would have paid NJ + KC & more likely your Club is still in SL !
4. Lost Paterika Vai-Vai early & for full season, this is something that has happened to Leigh every season for the last 3 at least, McNally, Vai-Vai & James Clare !
5. John the Baptiste's wife claimed he had damaged his shoulder & would be out for months in a tweet, only to add to the same tweet a photo of him walking away from LSV carrying his kit bag on same shoulder *he didn't want to be a Leigh player, so be f in honest* !
6. DB should have fought to keep the contracts of Bryson Goodwin, Samisoni Langi & Josh Drinkwater *imagine how strong this team would have been with those 3 !
7. That season opening run.
These are for me all critical factors in the demise of Leigh.
To add, if I could I would remind DB that he is quoted as saying he would write off ALL debts to him from the Club as a gift, it is quoted because he said the words, now he appears to be changing tune to only if the right person take a over etc, he also said he would ensure the Club gets to end if season *I am sure he will* , but I ask this, why would he not pay players, LSV debts etc ? Is there something more to it ? Is his business in dire need ?
I don't dislike DB but with every passing week he weakens his own position with fans.
I never want to see a sole owner again but if it meant survival in the short term I would accept one with concerns.
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| Quote: Ste100Centurions "My 2 pennies *whether you like them or not* .....
1. Jukes was not up to the task ( though I concede & thank him for the 2016 season )
2. Beaumonts brief/target/goals set to Jukes to win the MPG/Survive was & is a defeatist target & unacceptable, you set a target of top 8 & then & only then if you fail, your next target is 9th, that is the mindset of a winner !
3. KC was money wasted & did not work. Why not sack Jukes & go big, get the best Head Coach possible * HullKR/Sheens*, you then pay that Head Coach what you would have paid NJ + KC & more likely your Club is still in SL !
4. Lost Paterika Vai-Vai early & for full season, this is something that has happened to Leigh every season for the last 3 at least, McNally, Vai-Vai & Name Clare !
5. John the Baptiste's wife claimed he had damaged his shoulder & would be out for months in a tweet, only to add to the same tweet a photo of him walking away from LSV carrying his kit bag on same shoulder *he didn't want to be a Leigh player, so be f in honest* !
6. DB should have fought to keep the contracts of Bryson Goodwin, Samisoni Langi & Josh Drinkwater *imagine how strong this team would have been with those 3 !
7. That season opening run.
These are for me all critical factors in the demise of Leigh.
To add, if I could I would remind DB that he is quoted as saying he would write off ALL debts to him from the Club as a gift, it is quoted because he said the words, now he appears to be changing tune to only if the right person take a over etc, he also said he would ensure the Club gets to end if season *I am sure he will* , but I ask this, why would he not pay players, LSV debts etc ? Is there something more to it ? Is his business in dire need ?
I don't dislike DB but with every passing week he weakens his own position with fans.
I never want to see a sole owner again but if it meant survival in the short term I would accept one with concerns.'"
They got a £500k parachute payment. Sod all investment required last season in SL Someone was calling his investment back,long before the current situation.
Why no response from the other share holders? Because they are puppets awaiting a pay out.
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| Quote: Ste100Centurions "That is a statement in quotation, when did Jukes speak these words & where is the proof, if there isn't any then it is slander !'"
There was a leadership group set up during the first QTR of our SL year, it consisted of Hansen, Drinkwater, Higham & Stewart.
This was the point at which that statement was made and Jukes should have gone then.
In the end KC got sacked not long after we beat Saints and he ended up at Leigh with Derek Stating he needed someone to take his role as Director of Rugby over so he could focus more on his own business.
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