Whatever AD.
As you clearly only take note of my against the mb grain comments then thats up to you.
What you seem to say is you can't have debate unless its precisely what the original thread started from for goodness sake ?? Read further down from this and you will see what I was commenting on. Threads do go on to a wider topic you know or they would be very very boring.

The poor crowds over the weekend are due to the apathy of some fans and IMO not a lot to do with the RFL......I think the largest crowd will be at the Pie Dome tonight...6K at Knowsley Rd,4K at Wakey and 11K at the Whino`s are far from impressive crowds..SL is on the up so we are led to believe from the clowns from SKY.

Why are you too depressed , it was just a game like any other wasn't it ?

Or are you saying that just because it was a DERBY game it was more important than a game against say Portsmouth or Stoke , still only 3 points at stake ?

The reason that games against opposition who bring no disernable support are not as exciting is because they lack atmosphere , especially when stadia are not even half full let alone full as most Premier footy

Especially in our division with crowds sometimes as low as 10/20 % of capacity even a relatively small band of away fans helps massively in creating atmosphere

That is why we go to watch , we want to see the away fans giving their team support , it makes us support our team more

Yes there are many good reasons we need to expend the game , but there are just as many good reasons we need to get more help in the heartlands

Gaining one fan in Wales and losing 10 in the heartlands is not expansion of the game , it is a recipe for disaster

Except Aukland Warriors, natch.

Oh, and Canberra, Newcastle, Gold Coast and Brisbane are less than 25 years old. Gotta start somewhere.

I can't wait for all you expantionists to eat humble pie. When will it become clear that the way it is being done is wrong? When the whole of Proffesional RL is up sh3t creek and the only thing left is amature RL?

South of France has a RL pedigree and structure, South of Wales doesnt.

RL is the Soccer of Convictland, RL doesnt have the same exposure in Newcastle, Cardiff or Bridgend.

Build the foundations then success can happen, expand withoutb them and failure awaits, expand too soon at the expense of heartlands and RL fails.

8700 at JJB for a sudden death play off game.

Current play off system is a joke. Top 6 was perfect. Why change it. And don't give me the bull about the league being bigger. If you're not in the top six you dont deserve to be in the play offs.

AD - I actually think this comment says it all really. I think Jon Wilkin also said similar on beeb website.

It does say it all LL, quite right.

Its confusing, pointless, and is proving to be of little interest. Many will say 'ah yes, so did the plays off when they were first introduced' but come on, this is just embarrasing.

The RFL just can't sit still and leave things alone, and all the while things like this make a laughing stock of the game.

Business end of the season and the crowds go down? Give me another sport where that happens.

Fellatio World Series - Blowjobathon Championship Playoffs.

I bet the floor looks like mine does when I wallpaper a ceiling.