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Quote: Cokey "I never said a level playing field across the championship, I said the middle 8s, meaning, Signing deadlines, and salary cap being increased. If for example it was raised to say £1.4m , then that should be applied to all clubs outside of SL to aspire the chance of doing better. Any club coming into the championship from championship 1 also had that kind of money to spend, then they stand a great chance to progress to the big time. Allowing SL clubs to be able to spend more money on their club opposed to other clubs outside of that division is surely some sought of discrimination.'"


I dont think you can justify raising the salary cap to 1.4m for Championship teams. They are in there respective league for the simple reason that some of the teams were previously in financial difficulties and/or that there is insufficient turnover coming into the club for them to spend anywhere near the cap. The current SC in the championship teams is there to protect themselves. If a sugar daddy comes along to spend the money then the cap should still remain as over reliance on one persons generosity is very dangerous.

If there are any rules to be changed for the Mid 8s then the top 4 championship teams should be offered the bonus that any homegrown players who have played for there reserves and have been at the club for a certain period of time, there salary should become exempt from the salary cap. you have the added incentive of growing your own talent but also knowing there salary wont count on your cap allowing you to at least bring in a controlled number of players.

The superleague bottom 4 should have the transfer date brought forward by one month to prevent wholesale changes on the eve of the 8s. I do think that SL teams entering the mid 8s should maybe forced to name a 25 man squad for the whole of play offs before they start as it becomes a completely different competition.

i do agree the rules need tweeking to make it more balanced and the above are examples only but increasing salary caps is a dangerous precedence to set

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It's alright saying give cap dispensation for homegrown talent if we were playing in an ideal world where that talent isn't cherry picked by SL clubs. The Championship cap has to be raised to somewhere like 1.4M if we're realistic about having regular movement between divisions. Wakefield are probably the team most likely to be picked off at some point because they haven't spent the full cap for some time now. If a club like Leigh or Bradford go up they'll probably spend closer to the 1.8M cap and the goalposts will be even further away for aspiring Championship clubs.

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Quote: Pie minister "Cokey at that time of the year when the mid 8s are to be played you will find it very difficult to bring in quality players before any deadlines as theybwill command big transger fees which count on the cap also bringing a player in at the beginning of the season will tie up a fair chunk of any cap leaving your squad pretty thin on numbers.

It isnt just a case of raising the cap for the sake of being equal its all about being able to afford to spend up to the cap in the first place and not harm the club in doing so.

Hence my suggestion that homegrown talent should not be counted on the cap'"


you mean like
Club Trained Player Allowance
The intention behind this allowance is to reward Clubs for developing (and investing in the development of) Players.
Any Club Trained Player shall be deemed to have a maximum Salary Cap Value of £40,000. Any amount paid to the Player in excess of £40,000 shall be disregarded in calculating his Salary Cap Value.

A ‘Club Trained Player’ is a player who was on the Club’s register for any 3 full Seasons before the end of the Season in which he ceases to be eligible by age to play at Under 21 level.
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That is currently in the rules, and has no SL equivalent?

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Quote: Bully_Boxer "It's alright saying give cap dispensation for homegrown talent if we were playing in an ideal world where that talent isn't cherry picked by SL clubs. The Championship cap has to be raised to somewhere like 1.4M if we're realistic about having regular movement between divisions. Wakefield are probably the team most likely to be picked off at some point because they haven't spent the full cap for some time now. If a club like Leigh or Bradford go up they'll probably spend closer to the 1.8M cap and the goalposts will be even further away for aspiring Championship clubs.'"


Correct, they'll just become feeder clubs...Which isn't right.

I can see the RFL adding a bonus point system to the qualifiers, before raising the cap next time round to be honest.

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Quote: reffy "In my opinion it is a system you have thought up which would have ensured promotion for Leigh, it is a contrived handicapping system. Giving Leigh a 5 point start over Wakefield when there are only 14 available is a nonsense.'"

It's likely we'll lose to Widnes on Sunday while Wakefield will beat Sheffield so we'd still miss out on the million pound game even with a 5 point start. I think 5 points is a reasonable start for a team which had only lost one game out of 23 over one which has only won 3, might have prevented them from admitting to throwing the whole regular league competition which is surely bad for the competition & sport.

As for the salary cap Championship clubs do need to be able to spend closer to the SL clubs they're playing but obviously have to be careful of clubs over spending. As it stands isn't the £1Million cap only available to clubs that can prove they have the money & there's a lower cap for other clubs? Another tier at say £1.4M for clubs that can show they have the money & a financial plan could help.

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If the salary cap is moved closer then your handicapping system would then become unfair. Things to look at ....Salary Cap and Transfer Deadline. You are looking for 4 best clubs from 8 all should start on Zero.

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