I'm sat here in Spain watching this game, this is a shadow of the team of 2-3 years ago, we've had a couple of tough calls but we are creating nothing at all. We topped the league., everyone has moved on , we've gone backwards

More like ppl are 2-3 years older and in some cases that's too old

Cullens team was never this bad.. and they were a gang of drunks.

The whole league has gone backwards in terms of quality. We have gone back an equal measure in quality but miles back in terms of game plans, work ethic and coaching

You are having a laugh now.

We are in agreement md

it doesn't happen very often... but this current side is shameful.

Certainly not far off. Something stinks in this team. Smith has stayed too long - now we know why he never stayed anywhere too long - he can't rebuild a team and certainly can't coach one without the quality of the likes of briers and Monaghan.

We should have won a couple of grand finals when we had a quality team with all the players in their late 20s/early 30s... we didn't manage it, and haven't seemingly bothered to rebuild, just happy to fade into mediocrity.

First time nilled at HWJ ever.

Smith couldnt win a grand final with Monaghan, Morley, Carvell, Briers etc...... he sure as hell isnt going to win one with the current squad he has assembled.

The progression has stopped, cullen did some good things but couldn't get us to that next level he got us to the door n smith opened it but has yet to take is thru that door

Wire just look totally clueless, totally rudderless,(is Monaghan still captain? )create very little, appear to have no game plan at all, just awful, compare to free flowing stuff a couple of years ago.

it's like seeing a once great boxer with fast hands,just swinging wildly nowhere near his opponent.

It's not that good

We're worse than that!