In the fight for 4th spot.

Wire v Catalan. They beat us, they leapfrog us and we slip to 6th at the very least. We win and we get 2 points clear, have points difference on our side, and level up on points with Hudds.

Hudds v Wigan. If Wigan win they go 5 points clear in 3rd and likely are then cemented there at least. If Hudds win they go four points ahead of us should we lose, and at that point I can't see us pulling it back in time before the split at least.

top 4 gone, 2 weeks time long gone, relying on other teams to lose while trying to win ourselves, we have not got a clue what to do when we get near the oppositions try line, we need a halfback that can find the gaps and control the team, where as now we are rudderless, spend some money wire and find someone that can do this, we knew lee briers was coming to an end but we did nothing about it and now it has come back and bit us hard. the buck stops with tony smith

Cronk

This half back senario has been rumbling on for 2 seasons now, it's so obvious, it's getting embarrassing now,, we just about papered over cracks last season, but we are now suffering for it and getting found out,,,

..as I keep saying, the halfbacks that Smith keeps running with don't work behind a pack that is too loving light in quality!!!!!.... and until we get a Cronk or whoever, we need to fix it up like Appllo XIII, "we've got to fix a hole like this using only this"

This being having the biggest half backs and the best players with ball in hand to plug the weak hole that the 2 smallest half backs keep falling into!

Winnable games for Widnes and Castleford next week too.

Your half backs are fine. O'Brien is a perfectly capable 7 and should DEFINITELY be playing ahead of Patton. He was anonymous today and is now making individual errors. When young players do that it's time for them to be removed from the front line before their confidence is shot. We did that to Gaskell and he's only now recovering from that. Where is Matty Russell? Put him at fullback, play Ratchford 6 as the runner and have O'Brien or Myler at 7. You might not have the halves to win SL this season, but you definitely have enough to finish top 4 and make the GF. It's easy to be pessimistic when you lose a tight game, but look at Saints last season. We only had one halfback, we said we were daft to recruit only one halfback. Then that halfback got injured for the season, his backup got injured for the season and his backup got injured for the season. We ended up with a fringe backrower and a second rower in the halves and smashed the play offs and won the GF. Are you seriously suggesting it's beyond Warrington?

Take into account belief. St Helens never know when they're done. I can't say the same for Wire sometimes. I will not count anyone out, currently. But if Huddersfield get 4 points ahead, I honestly can't see them giving that up. No matter how many games we win, if Huddersfield don't lose then we can't get above them. I agree on GOB over Patton by the way. He's more experienced and during a game you know he's there, for better or worse. I'd rather that than someone catching and passing for 80 minutes.

We still have to play Huddersfield, Castleford and Catlalan, the three teams around us. Them three matches are must-win just to secure a spot in the 8.

KR away will be tough and we still have Wigan and Saints at home to come.

Huddersfield have a very tough fixture schedule, I can see the Wire going above them if you settle down the half back combo.

We will be ok it will all come good we were doing worse last year we were about 2 point off where we are now

I can too. But if the Giants turn over a few of those sides, which they look capable of doing, they could usurp Saints and Wigan and really put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Everyone seems capable of beating everyone else so we just need to get our own house in order.

Throwing away too many leads!!

We should have enough against Catalans on Friday.

Carney and Tonga are absent for quite a while.

Escare & Dureau are major doubts and Casty could be banned.

The big one is the game after at Huddersfield a week on Sunday. If Huddersfield beat us I think we can say goodbye to the top 4 especially wth games against Saints and Wigan to come.

Well possibly Huddersfield will have five missing also,and your good to go.